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Padres-Guardians primer: Lots of familiar faces, trade history, storylines
San Diego Padres starting pitcher Mike Clevinger throws against the San Francisco Giants during the second inning of a spring training baseball game, Tuesday, March 29, 2022, in Scottsdale, Ariz. (AP Photo/Matt York)
By Zack Meisel and Dennis Lin
May 3, 2022
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It’s the Padres against the Padres-adjacent the next two days at Progressive Field. One dugout will host the outfit San Diego president of baseball operations A.J. Preller has constructed, the other will host a collection of players Preller traded to Cleveland. Mike Clevinger will make his long-awaited return on a mound he knows well. Cal Quantrill will start against his former club the following afternoon. The middle third of Guardians manager Terry Francona’s lineup — Owen Miller, Josh Naylor and Franmil Reyes — includes three former Padres. The prospect the Guardians promoted for a doubleheader during their previous homestand? A former Padre. The left-handed pitcher they designated for assignment Sunday? A former Padre. The bat boy who fills Francona’s buckets of bubble gum before each game? A former Padre. (OK, maybe not.)
Point is, Cleveland team president Chris Antonetti has spent more time on the phone with Preller the last few years than (probably) any other human who isn’t in the Antonetti family tree. These two teams have dealt with each other a ton since they swapped Brad Hand, Adam Cimber and Francisco Mejía in July 2018. They completed a seismic trade each of the two subsequent summers. San Diego even pushed to acquire José Ramírez a month ago.
But, Dennis, let’s start with this before these teams full of familiar faces square off Tuesday night: What are the expectations for Clevinger, 20 months removed from the trade and a year and a half removed from his second Tommy John surgery? And how is his companion on the coaching staff, former Cleveland Pitching Factory foreman Ruben Niebla?
Dennis Lin: Zack, I don’t need to tell you this, not after you covered him for several seasons, but expect Clevinger to be amped. He was amped when the Padres hired Niebla, a move he’s said he pushed for since he was traded. He was amped March 29 when he pitched in a major-league game, albeit an exhibition, for the first time since his surgery. And he definitely will be amped for this return/reunion. His Cleveland tenure, of course, did not end on the best note. He’d love to show his former teammates and coaches that he’s still the pitcher who grooved and thrived along the shores of Lake Erie.
He and the Padres would be wise to temper early expectations, though. Clevinger might have been too amped for that March 29 outing in the Cactus League. (He rushed through his delivery on the way to surrendering eight runs in 1 2/3 innings.) Then he opened the season on the injured list because of knee soreness. He looked decent across three rehab starts, but in the last of those, he built up to throwing merely 67 pitches. The Padres are going to ease him back into action. Four or five innings against his old team might suffice as a promising start.
It should help having Niebla in the visiting dugout. And thanks in part to Clevinger’s effusive praise, the coach has already earned the trust of many of the Padres’ other pitchers. Manager Bob Melvin has wondered aloud why, after so many years in baseball, this is Niebla’s first job as a lead pitching coach in the majors. Those two seem to share at least a couple of qualities: a thorough understanding of analytics and a great feel for people. Some fans are crediting Niebla for “fixing” Wednesday’s Padres starter, the resurgent MacKenzie Gore. That’s going a bit overboard — Niebla and Gore haven’t had much time together yet — but by all accounts, Niebla has been as advertised.
Padres pitching coach Ruben Niebla spent more than two decades in the Cleveland organization. (Orlando Ramirez / USA Today)
On another note, those same fans would like to know: What’s gotten into Owen Miller?
Zack Meisel: It seems as though every pitcher who ascended to Cleveland’s big-league roster in the last decade has credited Niebla in some facet of their development. The organization remains confident in its approach to pitching instruction, but there’s no doubt he’s missed after spending more than 20 years with the franchise.
As for Miller, well, maybe there was an impostor wearing his No. 6 uniform last season.
60 games in 2021: .551 OPS, eight doubles, nine walks, 54 strikeouts
17 games in 2022: 1.105 OPS, nine doubles, eight walks, 14 strikeouts
This is the hitter Cleveland hoped for when it made the Clevinger trade, a player who possessed some power and patience and a knack for making contact. Will Miller maintain a .377/.444/.660 slash line for another five months? Probably not, but his metrics — he’s hitting the ball really hard, doing so a lot and almost never swinging and missing — suggest it’s fair to expect him to remain a regular contributor.
Miller was one of six players acquired in that Clevinger deal, along with Josh Naylor (who has joined Miller in the middle of the Guardians’ order after recovering from a harrowing leg injury), Quantrill, Gabriel Arias, Austin Hedges and Joey Cantillo.
Are the Padres missing any of these guys? Obviously, they didn’t bank on Clevinger missing an entire season, but is there any regret about the group they sent to Cleveland in 2020?
Owen Miller watches one of his nine doubles, second most in the majors. (Ken Blaze / USA Today)
Lin: The Padres’ argument was, and still is, that none of these guys were ever going to become real dudes in San Diego. They needed top-shelf pitching for a playoff run, and Clevinger was already a dude. But yeah, in this case, hindsight has not been kind to them.
The 2021 Padres had plenty of star power but not enough depth up and down the 40-man roster. This is where players like Miller and Quantrill could have come in handy; San Diego fielded perhaps the thinnest bench in the league, and it ran out of starting pitching. The 2022 Padres have addressed some of those issues, largely by running a $209 million payroll, but they still feature obvious weaknesses, especially on offense. Miller, in particular, would be useful right now. The Padres have been rostering 21-year-old infield prospect CJ Abrams because they have to, not because it’s the best thing for his development. He’s predictably struggled, with a .570 OPS in 16 games.
The Clevinger trade also might serve as a referendum on the Padres’ questionable track record of player development. If Quantrill and Miller had been retained, would they have excelled like they have lately? Maybe not.
Clevinger still has a handful of months to salvage some value for San Diego. Speaking of value, what’s happened to Reyes? The Padres have missed his infectious personality, and they’re barely getting any production out of their DH spot, but I do think they saw some of this eventually coming when they moved a clubhouse favorite in 2019.
Meisel: Reyes is in one of those slumps where even if you aren’t aware of his slash line — it’s .139/.171/.215, by the way — you can get a sense of it from any seat in the ballpark, based on his body language, swing decisions and/or frustration with the home-plate umpire. His metrics are brutal: at or near the bottom of the league in strikeout rate, whiff rate, walk rate and expected output. He has struck out in nearly half of his plate appearances, a league-leading 38 times.
The Guardians need his power, too. There’s a lineup full of contact-oriented hitters around him, and when they struggle to string together walks, singles and doubles, it helps to have his muscle in the middle. Instead, he’s struggled to the point where Francona has dropped him in the order, much earlier in the season than he usually makes such a move with a veteran. Reyes’ track record would suggest he’ll eventually reverse course, but … it’s been ugly.
Reyes and Hedges are two of the more vocal members of Cleveland’s clubhouse, especially if ranking by decibel level. Their leadership is important for a team with the league’s youngest roster.
Reyes came to Cleveland with Logan Allen — who was designated for assignment Sunday — in the Trevor Bauer deal, which netted the Padres Taylor Trammell, whom San Diego later traded as part of the package to land Austin Nola, who supplanted Hedges at catcher. Man, chronicling all of Preller’s wheeling and dealing can make one’s head spin.
Speaking of which, it’s no surprise these teams discussed a Ramírez trade before the start of the season. By now Siri knows whom Antonetti is attempting to dial when he asks to “Call A.J.”
Lin: That trade would have been bonkers. Abrams might have been the headliner going back to Cleveland, but for a player of Ramírez’s caliber, I imagine the Guardians were rightfully asking for multiple additional pieces. If they’d come to an agreement, the Clevinger deal would have paled in comparison. And even though Ramírez is newly signed to an extension and has a no-trade clause, I would never rule out Preller making another attempt in the future.
In the meantime, the Padres are in a decent spot. They’re 15-8 despite the aforementioned weaknesses and the absence of Fernando Tatis Jr. Melvin and Niebla have been breaths of fresh air. Clevinger could provide a boost for a rotation that’s already humming.
All of this isn’t to say that Preller will be content sitting still. He doesn’t really know how to, at least not for long. Maybe this two-game series will set the groundwork for more deals between these teams?
Meisel: There’s no sense in betting against that. They already know each others’ organizations as well as they know their own. How about an Amed Rosario-for-Dinelson Lamet swap? On second thought, let’s leave this to Preller and Antonetti. It’s about time for their daily phone call anyway.
San Diego Padres starting pitcher Mike Clevinger throws against the San Francisco Giants during the second inning of a spring training baseball game, Tuesday, March 29, 2022, in Scottsdale, Ariz. (AP Photo/Matt York)
By Zack Meisel and Dennis Lin
May 3, 2022
14
Save Article
It’s the Padres against the Padres-adjacent the next two days at Progressive Field. One dugout will host the outfit San Diego president of baseball operations A.J. Preller has constructed, the other will host a collection of players Preller traded to Cleveland. Mike Clevinger will make his long-awaited return on a mound he knows well. Cal Quantrill will start against his former club the following afternoon. The middle third of Guardians manager Terry Francona’s lineup — Owen Miller, Josh Naylor and Franmil Reyes — includes three former Padres. The prospect the Guardians promoted for a doubleheader during their previous homestand? A former Padre. The left-handed pitcher they designated for assignment Sunday? A former Padre. The bat boy who fills Francona’s buckets of bubble gum before each game? A former Padre. (OK, maybe not.)
Point is, Cleveland team president Chris Antonetti has spent more time on the phone with Preller the last few years than (probably) any other human who isn’t in the Antonetti family tree. These two teams have dealt with each other a ton since they swapped Brad Hand, Adam Cimber and Francisco Mejía in July 2018. They completed a seismic trade each of the two subsequent summers. San Diego even pushed to acquire José Ramírez a month ago.
But, Dennis, let’s start with this before these teams full of familiar faces square off Tuesday night: What are the expectations for Clevinger, 20 months removed from the trade and a year and a half removed from his second Tommy John surgery? And how is his companion on the coaching staff, former Cleveland Pitching Factory foreman Ruben Niebla?
Dennis Lin: Zack, I don’t need to tell you this, not after you covered him for several seasons, but expect Clevinger to be amped. He was amped when the Padres hired Niebla, a move he’s said he pushed for since he was traded. He was amped March 29 when he pitched in a major-league game, albeit an exhibition, for the first time since his surgery. And he definitely will be amped for this return/reunion. His Cleveland tenure, of course, did not end on the best note. He’d love to show his former teammates and coaches that he’s still the pitcher who grooved and thrived along the shores of Lake Erie.
He and the Padres would be wise to temper early expectations, though. Clevinger might have been too amped for that March 29 outing in the Cactus League. (He rushed through his delivery on the way to surrendering eight runs in 1 2/3 innings.) Then he opened the season on the injured list because of knee soreness. He looked decent across three rehab starts, but in the last of those, he built up to throwing merely 67 pitches. The Padres are going to ease him back into action. Four or five innings against his old team might suffice as a promising start.
It should help having Niebla in the visiting dugout. And thanks in part to Clevinger’s effusive praise, the coach has already earned the trust of many of the Padres’ other pitchers. Manager Bob Melvin has wondered aloud why, after so many years in baseball, this is Niebla’s first job as a lead pitching coach in the majors. Those two seem to share at least a couple of qualities: a thorough understanding of analytics and a great feel for people. Some fans are crediting Niebla for “fixing” Wednesday’s Padres starter, the resurgent MacKenzie Gore. That’s going a bit overboard — Niebla and Gore haven’t had much time together yet — but by all accounts, Niebla has been as advertised.
Padres pitching coach Ruben Niebla spent more than two decades in the Cleveland organization. (Orlando Ramirez / USA Today)
On another note, those same fans would like to know: What’s gotten into Owen Miller?
Zack Meisel: It seems as though every pitcher who ascended to Cleveland’s big-league roster in the last decade has credited Niebla in some facet of their development. The organization remains confident in its approach to pitching instruction, but there’s no doubt he’s missed after spending more than 20 years with the franchise.
As for Miller, well, maybe there was an impostor wearing his No. 6 uniform last season.
60 games in 2021: .551 OPS, eight doubles, nine walks, 54 strikeouts
17 games in 2022: 1.105 OPS, nine doubles, eight walks, 14 strikeouts
This is the hitter Cleveland hoped for when it made the Clevinger trade, a player who possessed some power and patience and a knack for making contact. Will Miller maintain a .377/.444/.660 slash line for another five months? Probably not, but his metrics — he’s hitting the ball really hard, doing so a lot and almost never swinging and missing — suggest it’s fair to expect him to remain a regular contributor.
Miller was one of six players acquired in that Clevinger deal, along with Josh Naylor (who has joined Miller in the middle of the Guardians’ order after recovering from a harrowing leg injury), Quantrill, Gabriel Arias, Austin Hedges and Joey Cantillo.
Are the Padres missing any of these guys? Obviously, they didn’t bank on Clevinger missing an entire season, but is there any regret about the group they sent to Cleveland in 2020?
Owen Miller watches one of his nine doubles, second most in the majors. (Ken Blaze / USA Today)
Lin: The Padres’ argument was, and still is, that none of these guys were ever going to become real dudes in San Diego. They needed top-shelf pitching for a playoff run, and Clevinger was already a dude. But yeah, in this case, hindsight has not been kind to them.
The 2021 Padres had plenty of star power but not enough depth up and down the 40-man roster. This is where players like Miller and Quantrill could have come in handy; San Diego fielded perhaps the thinnest bench in the league, and it ran out of starting pitching. The 2022 Padres have addressed some of those issues, largely by running a $209 million payroll, but they still feature obvious weaknesses, especially on offense. Miller, in particular, would be useful right now. The Padres have been rostering 21-year-old infield prospect CJ Abrams because they have to, not because it’s the best thing for his development. He’s predictably struggled, with a .570 OPS in 16 games.
The Clevinger trade also might serve as a referendum on the Padres’ questionable track record of player development. If Quantrill and Miller had been retained, would they have excelled like they have lately? Maybe not.
Clevinger still has a handful of months to salvage some value for San Diego. Speaking of value, what’s happened to Reyes? The Padres have missed his infectious personality, and they’re barely getting any production out of their DH spot, but I do think they saw some of this eventually coming when they moved a clubhouse favorite in 2019.
Meisel: Reyes is in one of those slumps where even if you aren’t aware of his slash line — it’s .139/.171/.215, by the way — you can get a sense of it from any seat in the ballpark, based on his body language, swing decisions and/or frustration with the home-plate umpire. His metrics are brutal: at or near the bottom of the league in strikeout rate, whiff rate, walk rate and expected output. He has struck out in nearly half of his plate appearances, a league-leading 38 times.
The Guardians need his power, too. There’s a lineup full of contact-oriented hitters around him, and when they struggle to string together walks, singles and doubles, it helps to have his muscle in the middle. Instead, he’s struggled to the point where Francona has dropped him in the order, much earlier in the season than he usually makes such a move with a veteran. Reyes’ track record would suggest he’ll eventually reverse course, but … it’s been ugly.
Reyes and Hedges are two of the more vocal members of Cleveland’s clubhouse, especially if ranking by decibel level. Their leadership is important for a team with the league’s youngest roster.
Reyes came to Cleveland with Logan Allen — who was designated for assignment Sunday — in the Trevor Bauer deal, which netted the Padres Taylor Trammell, whom San Diego later traded as part of the package to land Austin Nola, who supplanted Hedges at catcher. Man, chronicling all of Preller’s wheeling and dealing can make one’s head spin.
Speaking of which, it’s no surprise these teams discussed a Ramírez trade before the start of the season. By now Siri knows whom Antonetti is attempting to dial when he asks to “Call A.J.”
Lin: That trade would have been bonkers. Abrams might have been the headliner going back to Cleveland, but for a player of Ramírez’s caliber, I imagine the Guardians were rightfully asking for multiple additional pieces. If they’d come to an agreement, the Clevinger deal would have paled in comparison. And even though Ramírez is newly signed to an extension and has a no-trade clause, I would never rule out Preller making another attempt in the future.
In the meantime, the Padres are in a decent spot. They’re 15-8 despite the aforementioned weaknesses and the absence of Fernando Tatis Jr. Melvin and Niebla have been breaths of fresh air. Clevinger could provide a boost for a rotation that’s already humming.
All of this isn’t to say that Preller will be content sitting still. He doesn’t really know how to, at least not for long. Maybe this two-game series will set the groundwork for more deals between these teams?
Meisel: There’s no sense in betting against that. They already know each others’ organizations as well as they know their own. How about an Amed Rosario-for-Dinelson Lamet swap? On second thought, let’s leave this to Preller and Antonetti. It’s about time for their daily phone call anyway.