What do you think of the anti-Trump protest in Bern?
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Donald Trump wants to participate in the World Economic Forum (WEF), while left circles call for a demonstration in Bern. What do you think of the protest against the WEF and Trump?
What is your opinion? Discuss with:
What do you think of the announced demonstration against Donald Trump and the WEF in Bern?
How do you assess the thesis that left and right opponents of globalization actually fought on the same side?
What do you think about attempts to prevent Donald Trump's entry into Switzerland via online protest?
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Sophie Sophie Clerc
January 13, 2018 at 0:38 am (Residence / Quartier: Bern)
The Londoners did the right thing: "This racist does not come here!". And he does not come. So much sense for moral values must we have: this dangerous man is not welcome in this country, and we must make it known. Without violence. Or are we so cowardly that we know what kind of interests, just do not look and swallow everything?
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thomas keller
January 12, 2018 at 15:21 (residence / accomodation: 3007)
I can understand that many are appalled by its nature. For me, he is the same as any other member of the elite. Simply without mask and filter. What would have happened if: Bill Clinton met #meetoo when Bush jun. had a Twitter account and would not have listened to his advisors if the media had been honest with Obama? He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for taking the global drone warfare to a new level. Away from the media, Obama has focused mainly on the well-being of Wall Street. And Ukraine first (look at the forbidden "institution" devoted to the topic of German media).
I still think that Trump is nothing special. Only without filter and mask.
PS (for those who have never heard it before): The wall was already in front of Trump ... yes, that between the US and Mexico.
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Werner Werner Eberli
January 12, 2018 at 11:31 am (Residence / Accommodation: Muri)
Whether one likes or dislikes the President of America does not change the fact that Trump was elected by the people. That's why I find it strange when ladies and gentlemen of parties refer to President Trump as a racist and sexist jerk or sexist idiot. Such a language can not be tolerated. Even against people you would rather not see or greet, you should stick to a decent language. Trump always uses the same reflex "action = backlash".
If we want to chill Trump, then in my opinion, it is an easy way for our people to ignore. If nothing is written and no demo takes place, Trump is put in the offside.
Trump is the first to ask, why are the Swiss so silent to me?
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Walter Rubin
January 12, 2018 at 10:06 am (Residence / Quartier: Ortschwaben)
I find a demo ok, as long as it runs peacefully. Unfortunately, the organizers can not rule out that they are involved in it. Then the whole thing gets out of hand, as so often. Left and right globalization opponents do not fight for the same thing. Rights, such as the American president, fight for as much money as possible in their own account. An online protest will certainly not lead to him not coming. But it is a good action to show that he is unwelcome.
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Ueli Flückiger
January 12, 2018 at 1:17 am (Residence / Accommodation: Schüpfen)
That you do not like Trump, I can understand. The fact that he thinks globalization in terms of "the elites" meeting in Davos is similar to that of the WEF protesters and opponents, seems to have escaped the jusos.
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Christian fighting
January 11, 2018 at 10:55 pm (Residence / Quartier: Bern)
When free-trade opponents demonstrate against free-trade critic Trump, that seems a bit irritating at first glance. However, both Free Trade and Trump have fulfilled their promise of greater prosperity only for a few, mostly already rich.
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Sophie Clerc
January 11, 2018 at 19:12 (residence / accomodation: 3011 Bern)
This man is about to destroy our livelihoods. I am against violence, but for all sorts of rallies and manifestations that we denounce his monstrosities and will not tolerate. Dear sheep, are you ready and satisfied that you are cruelly slaughtered? The answer is NO.
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Kurt Hirsbrunner
January 11, 2018 at 18:17 (residence / district: Bern)
Are demos and the entry ban worthwhile? Disregard would be more effective?
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Sara Stalder
January 11, 2018 at 6:10 pm (Residence / Quartier: Bern)
The protest is important and correct. The ordinary people must show a clear edge against the cartel of politics and the private sector.
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Beat Jurt
January 11, 2018 at 15:41 (residence / quarters: Worblaufen)
WEF and Trump and it's all going to get worked up. Discussion should be allowed even with the most stable genius of all time. In conversation, stupid and clever geniuses usually expose themselves. In addition, one should not try to prevent critical, peaceful and imaginative demos. Whether in the USA or in the whole of Europe, * we choose our slaughterers or donkeys * yes and voluntarily! We also love the yes to tax cuts, because we could become Lottery Millionaire! A little less overconfidence and more moral courage combined with the necessary serenity would do us all good!
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Max Huber
January 11, 2018 at 2:56 pm (Residence / Accommodation: Merzligen)
An entry ban is neither enforceable nor reasonable. Discontinuation does not resolve disagreements.
Consequently, the WEF as a platform for discussion for very influential people has a great legitimacy. Protesting is short-sighted.
To protest Trump as a person - peacefully and without material damage - I can understand well, I have yet to experience a president who obviously lies and changes his mind again and again, such as his visit to the WEF - the meeting of his mocked " Establishment "- proves.
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Tina Stucki
January 11, 2018 at 14:23 (Residence / District: Region Bern)
Demos only harm our country and taxpayers.
Also, the constant demonstrators should see that you can not just enforce everything - maybe they should try it with work and achieve one or the other good goal with it.
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Peter wonder
January 11, 2018 at 1:13 pm (Residence / District: Bern / Länggasse)
I'd be in favor of a separate Trump demo with thousands of large-format posters displaying the many most striking cartoons. Such a self-inflated and inflated ego and its highly questionable republican vassals can only be met with sarcasm and a sharp pen. This is like the AfD and Blocher et al. Violence plays into their hands and arguments remain unused in their cerebral cavities.
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Peter dirt
January 11, 2018 at 10:41 am (City / Town: Russikon ZH Oberland)
Any demonstration would be too much of an honor. Just let the trump talk. What he says you do not have to take it seriously. He does not do that either.
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Heinz Anonymous
January 11, 2018 at 10:38 am (Residence / Quartier: Matte)
Completely pointless. I still remember the antiwar protests in the Bush era. They were pretty big.
And what did it bring when some insignificant mountain people protest against a war that is taking place somewhere else? Nothing, nothing at all.
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Urs Steiner
January 11, 2018 at 10:27 am (Residence / Quartier: Mühleberg)
These state-spoiled circles will never understand who pays their wages and works hard for it.
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Luca Dietician
January 11, 2018 at 9:34 am (Residence / Accommodation: Kallnach)
Protest or rallies are needed and always will be. In fact, in the case of Trump, it is actually for his pleasure, when the people in the street rebelled against him, but he at the longer lever, protected by police zund Secret Service in the fistchen laugh and continue to spread fake news. An entry ban I consider absolutely unrealistic and would bring us in the best case publicity in the international media, but certainly no change.
Globalization is good and important in my opinion. But if it ends with exploitation and long distances for the transport of eg food that would also be available locally, I find that more than unnecessary.
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Sebastian Schafer
January 11, 2018 at 9:51 am (Residence / Lodging: 3006)
What is the alternative? Silently watch and have done? In the style of "We'll just let it go and give it another platform so the whole world will see a man of power everywhere welcome, despite his inhuman assertions, haha, we've just spit into the soup!"
Seriously, what "change" do you expect from a WEF conversation with Trump? I do not hope for any international political effect of an entry ban, as well. But the world should calmly see that people here do not want to have this walking Toupet ghost.
And by the way: The globalization in today's capitalist system, with today's technological means, is exploitation and "large distances for the transport of eg food which would also be locally" inevitably inherent. Everything else is wishful thinking.
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Francis Kaderli
January 11, 2018 at 13:06 (Residence / Quartier: Thun)
I do not see any benefits from demos that go hand in hand with violent and destructive chaos-in fact, even criminals who destroy foreign property and cost the taxpayer a lot of money.
Who should interest the opinion of such people? Anyone.
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Yves Blöchlinger
January 11, 2018 at 9:34 am (Residence / Quarter: Mattenhof)
There is nothing wrong with a demonstration per se. I find it disturbing that the demonstrators, thanks to demos with like-minded people, have the impression that their often extreme views automatically correspond to any majorities in our country. Otherwise I can not explain the eternal rebel against the state and absurd demands, such as not allowing Trump to enter Switzerland. Well protested in Bern, hope that it brings Switzerland to a position that Trump is not bothered at the airport or in Davos. Demonstrate to express his opinion, yes, gladly. Demonstrate to sabotage and destroy anything (in this case visiting the US president), no thanks!
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Sebastian Schafer
January 11, 2018 at 10:01 am (Residence / Lodging: 3006)
A demo to prevent something is a demo to destroy something, ergo not legitimate?
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Yves Blöchlinger
January 11, 2018 at 10:43 am (Residence / Quarter: Mattenhof)
I've probably been a bit confused by the sentence. A demo to prevent something is of course not automatically a demo to destroy something. At least not in the sense that I mean to destroy, and how it is not legitimate.
I am talking about the violence and destructiveness, which unfortunately can be observed again and again on the sidelines of such events ...
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Sebastian Schafer
January 11, 2018 at 11:08 am (Residence / Lodging: 3006)
Okay, violence at demos is unfortunately an evil - although I honestly take a broken shop window here and there in purchasing. As Mani Matter said: It must be muzzy sy, which chills a little u with wire or barbed wire or spits muur id air - o de giz Lüt where brüele: Mues eigetlech from geng verhimuheilandtonneret sy ...
But a demo to the Trump To prevent visit, I find legitimate and justified. Or you want to ban a demo, because of the prospect that something might break down?
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Yves Blöchlinger
January 11, 2018 at 12:01 am (Residence / Quarter: Mattenhof)
No, certainly not. On the contrary, it is the right way to seriously prevent a visit by Trump. Depending on how the ball is recorded and the majorities are distributed, you can achieve something like this. I just meaningless riot, or on my own initiative "in the name of Switzerland" quasi, directly to scold Trump and not welcome at the airport or in Davos, that's not!
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EB
January 11, 2018 at 9:32 am (Residence / Quartier: Bern)
It is now clear to everyone that Trump stands for sexism, racism, narcissism, lies, hatred and nastiness. Now he wants to make the WEF and thus Switzerland happy with his uninvited visit. That like-minded louts and the deluded rights are happy, is bad enough - But: The left? The Federal Government writes: Federal Councilor Berset is pleased and blue-eyed, Tim Guldimann hopes that "no bad words will fall to our address"; CVP-Lombardi surpasses his hopes that «Trump will make peacemaking statements in Davos». Everything just "diplomacy"?
The press (including "The Bund") also bends in, see commentary by Patrick Feuz, which rants about Trump as anti-globalizer and representative of ordinary people.
Why do you pay homage in Switzerland to a narcissistic despot who ruined his country's reputation a year after his dubious seizure of power? Swiss smell money and advantages - that's what hypocrites like to hit Trump. (Just as they once pacted with Hitler.)
ALL ON TO THE DEMOS!
(For chaotic: Property damage here are counterproductive; who wants to riot, this should be done on the spot (Trump Tower, New York or White House, Washington).
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Max S.
January 11, 2018 at 9:11 am (Residence / Quartier: Bern)
The demo on Saturday is not only directed against Trump, but against the WEF and actually all capitalism. The demo just learns just a trump effect. Anyway, I'm looking forward to a strong demo!
To blame the left and right criticism of globalization, I think is wrong. The criticism is too different. Leftists refer the criticism more to the exploitation of poorer countries, right-wing refer the criticism to their own ethnic group or nation.
The online petition I see as hopeless. In addition, I would like to criticize the Juso, that she does not do anything until they hope for a lot of publicity through Trump. The demo of Saturday has already been announced for some time.
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Mario Anonymous
January 11, 2018 at 8:45 am (Residence / Quartier: Bern)
I am in favor of a demonstration, it is good to do a drawing, even if it has no effect. Trump's policy so far justifies that, if he were president of another country, he would never be allowed to enter Switzerland like that.
In my opinion, anti-globalization opponents should work together in many ways, but I think that's unlikely to be true of Trump's entry, as it's primarily about Donald Trump, and less about his role on the WEF.
His entry will not be prevented.
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Daniel Trüssel
January 11, 2018 at 8:43 am (Residence / Quartier: Trimstein)
The interpretation sovereignty of the left (in this case, on the other hand, it is not better), what is right and what is wrong bothers me enormously. Only when one seeks dialogue and opens oneself to other opinions does one begin to understand what drives the other side. Peaceful demos do not disturb me to express his opinion. But unfortunately it will end with the Left Chaotic again in violence and destruction.
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Sebastian Schafer
January 11, 2018 at 9:42 am (Residence / Lodging: 3006)
Yes, you know, out of my gut instincts, I have to say that I "seek dialogue with Trump" and "open his mind" to understand what drives this ignorant hate-clown "... I'm sick of that. This liberal devotion, petty speech, placating and harmonizing is simply over at some point - that's been proved countless times by world history.
What comes next is irresponsible opportunism. What has to happen that people like you go out on the street? At some point, you have to get up and say, well, not like that. And this buffoon has long passed this point. That's why I'm grateful to the Juso for really standing up for what people in this country think of people like Trump - as the only party.
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Hans Mossotti
January 11, 2018 at 8:06 am (Residence / Quartier: Brenzikofen)
The Anti Trump demo I find completely unnecessary. Heads of state are welcome in open Switzerland. If we want to make a difference to Trump's strategy / activity we have to speak directly with him and his entourage. Directly manage our attitudes and demands with discussions - with him and his environment - and formulated opinions.
The demos are certainly only in orgy of violence and cause the exact opposite of the desired. Well meant is often the opposite of good.