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Yeah, I agree, that writer actually was making no sense to me. For example:

One problem though - his fastball velocity fell off in 2017, down to 92.8 mph from 94.5 in 2016. As good as he was, as good as his slider and curve and whatnot are, this is potentially a problem. At the end of the day, velocity is everything. What if this year was the best we will see of Mike Clevinger?


So...velocity is everything yet the year his velocity went down he was the better pitcher (which the writer started off saying how good 2017 was for him etc etc)

There is such a thing as pitching to contact. As well, many pitchers command better if they take something off instead of throwing it harder and harder.

So the statement that velocity, off a radar gun, is everything is totally flawed. It depends on the pitcher and his particular skill set and issues.
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Perry Husband has written a few books on "Effective Velocity" or EV. Location determines how the pitch looks to a hitter. To a hitter, a 90 mph pitch down the middle looks like 90. The same 90mph pitch thrown up and in, looks like 93. A 90 mph pitch thrown low and away looks like 87.

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Gauging Tribe's interest in non-tendered free agents


Hey, Hoynsie: Are there any non-tendered free agents who interest the Indians? I’ll be in Goodyear, Ariz., in January. What workouts are open to the public? – Tom, Tucson, Ariz.


Hey, Tom: The Indians don’t need another left-handed hitter, but first baseman Matt Adams hit .274 with 20 homers and 65 RBI in 339 at-bats for the Braves and St. Louis last season.

He hit .295 against right-handed pitching and could give manager Terry Francona the option of flip-flopping Adams and Edwin Encarnacion between first and DH.

If Carlos Santana and Jay Bruce don’t re-sign, the offense is going to need help.

Outfielder Terrance Gore never got much playing time with the Royals, but he would certainly bring a speed element back to the Indians that they lost last season when Rajai Davis wasn’t re-signed.

The Indians medical/rehab team has a great reputation for rehabbing pitchers coming off Tommy John surgery. Non-tendered free agents Drew Smyly and Chi Chi Gonzalez had Tommy John surgery last year and aren't expected to pitch much, if at all, this year. Would the Tribe, with an eye to the future, take a chance on those arms?


Milwaukee's reliever Jared Hughes might be a possibility as well.

Tribe pitchers and catchers report to spring training on Feb. 14. Full squad workouts begin Feb. 18. Those workouts are open to the public at the team’s training facility, not Goodyear Ballpark.



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Does non-tendered slugger Matt Adams interest the Cleveland Indians? Hey, Hoynsie
Posted December 07, 2017 at 11:05 AM | Updated December 07, 2017 at 03:01 PM
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First baseman-outfielder Matt Adams hit 20 homers last season with the Braves and St. Louis before being non-tendered by the Braves on Dec. 1. (David Zalubowski, Associated Press)
Gauging Tribe's interest in non-tendered free agents

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Do you have a question that you'd like to have answered in Hey, Hoynsie? Submit it here or Tweet him at @hoynsie.

Paul Hoynes, cleveland.com





Hey, Hoynsie: Are there any non-tendered free agents who interest the Indians? I’ll be in Goodyear, Ariz., in January. What workouts are open to the public? – Tom, Tucson, Ariz.

Hey, Tom: The Indians don’t need another left-handed hitter, but first baseman Matt Adams hit .274 with 20 homers and 65 RBI in 339 at-bats for the Braves and St. Louis last season. He hit .295 against right-handed pitching and could give manager Terry Francona the option of flip-flopping Adams and Edwin Encarnacion between first and DH.

If Carlos Santana and Jay Bruce don’t re-sign, the offense is going to need help.

Outfielder Terrance Gore never got much playing time with the Royals, but he would certainly bring a speed element back to the Indians that they lost last season when Rajai Davis wasn’t re-signed.

The Indians medical/rehab team has a great reputation for rehabbing pitchers coming off Tommy John surgery. Non-tendered free agents Drew Smyly and Chi Chi Gonzalez had Tommy John surgery last year and aren't expected to pitch much, if at all, this year. Would the Tribe, with an eye to the future, take a chance on those arms?

Milwaukee's reliever Jared Hughes might be a possibility as well.

Tribe pitchers and catchers report to spring training on Feb. 14. Full squad workouts begin Feb. 18. Those workouts are open to the public at the team’s training facility, not Goodyear Ballpark.

What about the Rondons?

Hey, Hoynsie: If the Indians lose Bryan Shaw do you think they will go after Hector Rondon or Bruce Rondon to fill the void and deepen their bullpen? -- Steven Ward, Chardon.

Hey, Steven: There are a lot of relievers on the open market and I would think the Indians would consider Hector and Bruce Rondon, who were non-tendered by the Cubs and Tigers, respectively, on Dec. 1.

Hector Rondon, once a Tribe prospect, would be the safer bet if he’s healthy. After the Indians lost him to the Cubs in the Rule 5 Draft in 2012, he saved 59 games in 67 chances in 2014 and 2015. He lost the closer’s job to Aroldis Chapman in 2016 and has struggled with injuries the last two years.

Bruce Rondon spent only 15 2/3 innings with the Tigers last season, posting a 10.91 ERA. He pitched most of the year at Triple-A Toledo. The Tigers, early in his career, sent him home for lack of effort. If you could bring him to camp on a minor-league deal, he might be worth a look.

Heart and hustle award

Hey, Hoynsie: I see that Yankees outfielder Brett Gardner won an award called the Heart and Hustle Award. Can you kindly tell us a little about the award and if any Tribe players were nominated? – AZCardman, Gilbert, Ariz.

Hey, AZCardman: The Heart and Hustle Award is presented annually to a player on each big- league team by the MLB Players Alumni Association. A committee of former big league players familiar with each of the 30 teams selects a player for that team. Jose Ramirez won it for the Indians this year.

Gardner was named the overall winner in November. Grady Sizemore was the Indians' last overall winner in 2008.
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Indians catching prospect Francisco Mejia hit .297 (103-for-347) with 14 homers and 53 RBI for Class AA Akron last season. (Chuck Crow, The Plain Dealer).
Has Francisco Mejia's time arrived?

Hey, Hoynes: Do you think the Indians will keep Yan Gomes as the starting catcher next season or is Francisco Mejia ready for the big leagues? – Bob Price, Erie, Pa.

Hey, Hoynsie: I don’t think Mejia is ready to be the regular catcher. Fortunately, the Tribe has two solid catchers in Gomes and Roberto Perez. If one of them gets traded, the one left behind will start. Mejia or Eric Haase, who hit 26 homers at Class AA Akron last year, could be the backup.
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Rookie Cody Bellinger strikes out for the Dodgers during an at-bat in the World Series against Houston. (Matt Slocum, Associated Press).
A swing and a miss

Hey, Hoynsie: There were so many strikeouts during the playoffs. Seems like most hitters are only interested in their slugging numbers. What happened to bunting, shortening up your swing, just putting the ball in play with two strikes? I got sick of watching all the strikeouts and big swings. – Bob, Minneapolis.

Hey, Bob: There were a lot of strikeouts during the regular season as well. MLB hitters, for the 10th season in a row, set a record last season with 40,105 strikeouts.

Welcome to the era where strikeouts don’t matter and launch angles and exit velocity rule every hitter’s swing.

You were right about the postseason as well. NL Rookie of the Year Cody Bellinger struck out 17 times in 28 at-bats for the Dodgers during the World Series.

The Indians contributed as well. After striking out the second-fewest times in the AL during the regular season, they struck out 30 times in 96 at-bats (31 percent) in five games in the ALDS against the Yankees. During the regular season they struck out 21 percent of the time (1,153 in 5,511 at-bats).
How much would Jose Abreu cost?

Hey, Hoynsie: Might the White Sox listen if the Tribe offered a package of a starting pitcher – say, Danny Salazar or Mike Clevinger – another minor league starter and an up-and-coming talent like Erik Gonzalez for first baseman Jose Abreu? – Bob Maistros, Lake Worth, Fla.

Hey, Bob: I think that would get their attention. Abreu, who opted out of the last three years of a six-year guaranteed $68 million deal in November of 2016, made $10.825 million in arbitration last season. He's eligible again this winter and in 2019 before he can file for free agency in 2020.

The rebuilding White Sox have indicated that they’d trade Abreu, but the price would be high, especially for the Indians. The two teams have not made a trade since 1994. In the past when the Indians have talked to the White Sox about a player, the price always seemed to be higher than advertised because they play in the same division.
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AL powers aim to answer moves by Yanks, Halos

With Stanton, Ohtani set to join pennant battle, Astros, Tribe, Red Sox, Twins plot counter measures

For the Indians: Re-sign first baseman Carlos Santana. This would be a default option if the Indians didn't already project to have a payroll of $127 million, a franchise record. They spent heavily to add Edwin Encarnacion when he lingered on the market last year and may have to be just as financially aggressive this year to stay near the top of the AL.

Backup plan: Re-sign workhorse reliever Bryan Shaw, maintaining the structure of one of baseball's best bullpens.

Out-of-the-box thought: Trade power-hitting shortstop Yu-Cheng Chang and other prospects to the Marlins for Marcell Ozuna. Acquiring a left fielder would have been a must if the Indians hadn't exercised Michael Brantley's option for 2018. But there's plenty of room for Ozuna if Encarnacion plays first base.
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10 teams with the prospects to make big moves

Indians

Top 100 Prospects: 2

Top-rated prospect: Francisco Mejia, C (No. 13)

Cleveland was willing to make Mejia the headliner in a four-prospect package for Jonathan Lucroy in July 2016, only to see Lucroy veto the deal. Mejia still has a ways to go behind the plate and looked shaky at third base in the Arizona Fall League, so maybe he still could be had. Perhaps the Indians' pitching riches at the Major League level could make right-hander Triston McKenzie (second in the Minors with 186 strikeouts at age 20 in 2017) expendable as well, and they have a number of attractive teenaged prospects (third baseman Nolan Jones, outfielders Will Benson and Quentin Holmes) who could be spun off for more immediate help.
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How will Cleveland Indians react to NL MVP Giancarlo Stanton joining the New York Yankees?

By Paul Hoynes, cleveland.com

phoynes@cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Does this mean Aaron Boone doesn't have to start managing the Yankees until, oh, let's say, Sept. 20?

Boone, who played third base briefly for the Indians, was recently named manager of the Yankees. He's never coached or managed at any level, but it may not matter with the early Christmas present GM Brian Cashman just delivered to him.

Giancarlo Stanton is coming to the Bronx. The big man from south Florida has been traded to the Yankees by their old shortstop Derek Jeter.

He comes with a contract that is big in dollars and long in years. The Yankees could be absorbing as much as $265 million of the $295 million that Jeter, as new CEO of the Marlins, has been trying to get out from under. Stanton has 10 years left on the 13-year contract he signed with Florida, including an opt out clause in 2020.

Stanton's jump into pinstripes means a couple of things for the baseball community:

If he was part of the logjam preventing player movement in terms of trades and free agent signings this winter, well, consider the logjam cleared just in time for the winter meetings that start Sunday in Orlando, Fla. The clog started to clear earlier in the week when the Angles signed Japan's Shohei Ohtani.

On a more localized note, the decision by Dick Jacobs, late owner of the Indians, to move his team out of the AL East and into the new AL Central in 1994, has never looked better.



The Indians finished last season with the best pitching in the AL. They led in overall ERA, starting rotation ERA and bullpen ERA. Corey Kluber won his second Cy Young award in four years. Carlos Carrasco, who joined Kluber as an 18-game winner, finished fourth in the voting and Trevor Bauer won a career-high 17 games.

But with all due respect to Kluber and the staff, it is a good thing to be in the AL Central when you can face the rebuilding White Sox, Twins, Royals and Tigers. The AL East presents steeper challenges.

Not that the Indians didn't handle them well last season. They went 49-32 in the AL Central and 22-12 in the AL East on the way to winning 102 games. That included a 5-2 record against the Yankees.

That Yankee lineup did not have Stanton and his 59 homers to go along with Aaron Judge's 52 and Gary Sanchez's 33. The Yankees, who led the AL with 241 homers last year, became a lot more dangerous on Saturday.

So playing them seven times in 2018 - all before the All-Star break - is much less taxing than having to face Stanton, Judge and Sanchez 19 times a season as their four rivals in the AL East do.

Still, it would be wrong to start hyperventilating over the arrival of Stanton. The Tribe's new pitching Carl Willis just arrived from the Red Sox so he has plenty of experience preparing for the Yankees. Even in the painful ALDS loss to the Yankees, the Indians did a great job against Judge and a good job against Sanchez.

Judge, the AL Rookie of the Year and MVP runner-up, hit .050 against the Tribe in the ALDS. He struck out 16 times in 20 at-bats.

Sanchez struck out 10 times in 23 at-bats, but hit two homers and batted .174.

Stanton, meanwhile, has hardly been the Man of Steel. He may look like it at 6-6 and 245 pounds, but this year was the first time since 2011 that he's played more than 150 games. Just for the record, the NL MVP hit .281 with an MLB-leading 59 homers and 132 RBI. He posted a 1.007 OPS.

No doubt a lineup with Stanton, Judge and Sanchez will ruin a lot of pitcher's days and nights. But with power comes something else - strikeouts. No one supposedly cares about strikeouts anymore, but Stanton struck out 163 times last season, while Judge went down swinging 208 times and Sanchez 120. While the projection of production is formidable, so is the amount of time that they will do nothing at all.

The Indians, as a reminder, led the AL in strikeouts last season with 1,153. Yankees hitters finished 10th in strikeouts.

Right now, it is best for Indians decision makers Chris Antonetti and Mike Chernoff to let the Stanton storm swirl past and address their own issues.

Chief among them will be trying to get a handle on the Carlos Santana situation. The switch-hitting Santana has drawn a lot of interest. The Red Sox were in on him early, but they've also been linked to Eric Hosmer and J.D. Martinez. After finishing last in the AL in homers in 2017, and seeing Stanton go to the Yankees, they're going to have to do something to add power.

The Phillies, Texas, Seattle and San Diego have shown interest in Santana as well. Santana has a qualifying offer attached to him.

The Indians need help in the pen as well. Bryan Shaw isn't expected to return and Joe Smith might join him. They could use another late-inning reliever to go with Andrew Miller and Cody Allen, who will both be eligible for free agency at the end of the 2018 season.

On top of that, the Indians still haven't said what they plan to do with Jason Kipnis and Michael Brantley. Kipnis, an All-Star second baseman in 2015, ended last season in center field. Just where he'll be at the start of 2018 is unknown.

Brantley, an All-Star left fielder last season, is recovering from left ankle surgery. He's been injured the last two years and the Indians may move him to first base if they don't re-sign Santana.

Antonetti, the Indians president of baseball operations, said the organization will have a better idea of where Kipnis and Brantley fit by January or early February.

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J.R. wrote:
seagull wrote:So the Angels get Ohtani....Skanks get Stanton....and the Indians get Mike Martinez.
So you're saying that you think the Indians should have gone after those two?
Those would both be adsurdities.

First Ohtani - he was incredibly particular and eliminated almost all teams immediately, including the Yankees, lol. So that wasn't happening. I am sure they were interested, every team was.

Stanton - still 10 years left on that contract. Pathetic.
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J.R. wrote: Right now, it is best for Indians decision makers Chris Antonetti and Mike Chernoff to let the Stanton storm swirl past and address their own issues.

Chief among them will be trying to get a handle on the Carlos Santana situation. The switch-hitting Santana has drawn a lot of interest. The Red Sox were in on him early, but they've also been linked to Eric Hosmer and J.D. Martinez. After finishing last in the AL in homers in 2017, and seeing Stanton go to the Yankees, they're going to have to do something to add power.

The Phillies, Texas, Seattle and San Diego have shown interest in Santana as well. Santana has a qualifying offer attached to him.

The Indians need help in the pen as well. Bryan Shaw isn't expected to return and Joe Smith might join him. They could use another late-inning reliever to go with Andrew Miller and Cody Allen, who will both be eligible for free agency at the end of the 2018 season.

On top of that, the Indians still haven't said what they plan to do with Jason Kipnis and Michael Brantley. Kipnis, an All-Star second baseman in 2015, ended last season in center field. Just where he'll be at the start of 2018 is unknown.

Brantley, an All-Star left fielder last season, is recovering from left ankle surgery. He's been injured the last two years and the Indians may move him to first base if they don't re-sign Santana.

Antonetti, the Indians president of baseball operations, said the organization will have a better idea of where Kipnis and Brantley fit by January or early February.
Code for Kipnis likely being somewhere else to clear salary. Would be interesting to see Brantley at 1B and perhaps a power bat move into LF.
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seagull wrote:Baseball needs a salary cap.
Actually seagull the luxury tax, as the years have gone on, has been quite effective. And in fact it is incredibly punitive to teams that repeatedly go over it ( it is way complicated but there is a thing called the repeater tax that teams avoid like the plague)

Little known fact on the Stanton move - the Yankees are STILL under the luxury tax threshold.

The reason is that they cleared a bunch of total crap payroll contracts after this past season. Those crap contracts are the reason why their spending was very muted the last couple years - that and the luxury tax. Hal Steinbrenner is NOT George Steinbrenner.

Keep in mind as well that this Stanton move is very, very likely seen as a savings over going after Bryce Harper next offseason.

So the sky is not falling with the Stanton thing, in fact you could argue better him than Harper in that stadium. But mostly the Yankees are quite, quite aware of the luxury tax these days.

One more note on the luxury tax - the only team that blatantly goes way over that tax is the Dodgers. And that, besides their market, is because the present front office inherited a bunch of crap contracts headed up by Adrian Gonzalez.

Andrew Friedman, their present day head honcho is NOT a big spender. Once those bad contracts are up, they will also be much more conscious of the luxury tax.
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One more thing, let's fact it the AL Central looks incredibly winnable.

I think back to last year when, in the playoffs, the big bad Red Sox (with Papi still there)and then the Toronto Blue Jays (with EE still there, Bautista still crushing, and Donaldson raking) were simply shut down by good pitching.

The playoffs are a whole different animal where anything can happen and good pitching is very dangerous.

Let's fact it, our GREAT pitching this past season might well have won but whatever happened with Kluber ultimately doomed us. Poor hitting and all, if Kluber had been Kluber then the EE injury and lack of hitting wouldn't have mattered. They had Klubot going in the deciding game.
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