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Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:32 am
by civ ollilavad
Cavs awarded $14.5 mil trade exception. Expires friday. Have not decided whether to use it.
NBA experts please assist:

Is there any reason we shouldn't use it? If we don't use it, we lose it, right? What might we able to get for it? Is this remaining from LeBron signing?

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:12 pm
by rusty2
Not an expert but they are on record that they will only use it if it helps them in the future basically to acquire young talent or future draft picks. Not if they are going to get a veteran player that will only help this season. They see no reason to try to add a few extra wins this year when this upcoming draft is considered to be the best since Lebron, D wade, and Carmelo came out.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:14 pm
by rusty2
Yes from the LeBron trade. They are hoping to get a draft pick or young player for taking on a financial burden from another team. Yes, they will lose it if they do not use it by this Friday.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:04 pm
by rusty2
Cavs top pick Kyrie Irving’s game already drawing praise

by Rick Noland December 13th, 2011

Cavaliers coach Byron Scott was talking rather generically about top draft picks Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson, but a quick comment within his answer spoke volumes.


Kyrie Irving
“Kyrie,” Scott said Monday at the team’s annual media day, “has a chance to be a superstar.”

The Cavs have only practiced five times over the last four days and don’t play their first preseason game until Friday in Detroit, but the

19-year-old Irving, taken with the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, has made a great first impression.

“He can play — simple, point blank,” veteran guard Daniel Gibson said. “I just like his pace and his tempo.”

“Kyrie is very talented,” said center Anderson Varejao. “He can go to the basket, he can shoot and he’s athletic. He’s got moves. He’s a smart point guard.

“It’s never easy to come into the league and do it all your first year, but he can really help us. I believe he is going to do a good job for us.”

Irving, who played in just 11 games as a Duke freshman because of an injury to his big toe, has been thrust to the forefront even more due to the absence of fellow point guard Baron Davis.

Davis, who is expected to be waived through the amnesty clause by the Friday deadline, has yet to practice and is not even with the team, as he left town with the organization’s permission to seek a second opinion on his ailing lower back.

“If B.D. is not here or not playing in the preseason or regular season, it obviously gives (Irving) more responsibility,” Scott said. “But I’m still not quite sure if I’m just going to hand him the ball as of right now.”

It will be surprising if Scott doesn’t do that sooner rather than later — if not immediately.

The rebuilding Cavs went 19-63 a season ago, Irving is the future of the franchise and the 66-game 2011-12 season will be all about development and improvement.

“If they do say that, it will be a great experience just knowing they have trust in me to be the point guard,” Irving said of starting right off the bat. “But also, we have a lot of other guards on the team who can contribute on the court. Right now, it’s only training camp. We’ll see how it goes on Friday (in Detroit).”

Despite his age, Irving is already a fairly polished young man, on and off the court. In interviews, he almost always uses a reporter’s question within his response so as to speak in complete sentences. On the court, he can shoot, penetrate and create and has looked fairly solid on defense in practices.

“He’s pretty good,” Scott said. “One thing about Kyrie right now, each day he gets a little more comfortable with what we’re doing. Each day he shows me a little something special. The first day, it might have been one thing. (Sunday) night, it was five or six things. He’s progressing very nicely.”

Irving, though, is levelheaded enough not to get too far ahead of himself. Right now, he’s focusing on the next practice, with an eye toward the exhibition game against the Pistons. Next will be the regular season, which opens Dec. 26 against Toronto at Quicken Loans Arena. Everything after that will take care of itself.

“The biggest adjustment for me will be the pace of the game,” the 6-foot-3, 191-pounder said. “I have to get used to it as much as possible.

“What I’ve learned from Coach Scott in the first few days of camp is how to be a professional as much as possible. I’m used to the long practices because of Coach K (Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski), but right now it’s a little different because they expect so much more at this level.”

Irving said there are “a lot of similarities” between Duke’s sets and the Princeton offense the Cavs are running, including a number of pick-and-roll plays.

He’s also familiar with pressure and high expectations, having been one of the most prominently recruited players in the nation while in high school.

“The pressure of being the No. 1 pick is inevitable,” he said. “That’s something I’m going to have to embrace, which I’m doing.”

The big differences now are that Irving is playing at the highest level and getting paid millions of dollars, but he seems to be keeping everything in perspective, including what he plans to do with his first NBA paycheck.
“I’ll probably present it to my father,” he said. “I’ll give him a big hug and yell, ‘We made it.’”

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2...rawing-praise/

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:48 pm
by rusty2
The Los Angeles Clippers have agreed to a deal in principle with the league-owned New Orleans Hornets to acquire guard Chris Paul, according to sources close to the process.

The Clippers, sources said, will send guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets for Paul.

The Clippers will also receive two future second-round picks, according to sources.

The deal is expected to be approved by the league Wednesday night, sources said.

Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

Follow Marc Stein on Twitter: @ESPNSteinLine

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:50 pm
by rusty2
just my opinion, not a rumor. The Cavs may be interested in using their exemption to take Kaman off of the Hornets.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:48 pm
by rusty2
Updated: December 14, 2011, 10:39 PM ET
Cavaliers amnesty Baron DavisEmail Print Comments358 By Marc Stein
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The Cleveland Cavaliers have decided to waive Baron Davis through the league's amnesty clause.

The Cavaliers announced Wednesday night that they're releasing Davis in advance of Friday's amnesty deadline after exploring both trade and buyout possibilities with the former All-Star.




Davis

Rougly $27 million of the nearly $30 million left on Davis' contract is guaranteed. The Cavs would still have to pay Davis all that money if they send him away, but the amnesty clause in the new labor agreement -- unlike the 2005 version -- give teams salary cap relief as well as tax relief on a player released via amnesty.

"We would like to thank Baron for his contributions to the team during his time in Cleveland," general manager Chris Grant said in a statement. "He has been an absolute professional since the day he joined the Cavs and we now wish him the best in the future."

Once he's formally released, Davis will first be made available to teams with salary cap space in a waiver auction. That's the mechanism which allowed the Los Angeles Clippers to put in a winning blind bid of just over $2 million for Chauncey Billups after Billups was released by the New York Knicks via amnesty.

But the immediate priority for Davis is getting healthy. A back injury has kept Davis off the floor since training camps opened last week and has sidelined him indefinitely.

Davis' agent, Todd Ramasar, told ESPNNewYork.com's Ian Begley that "Baron is out a minimum of 8-10 weeks if there's no setbacks in his physical therapy."

If he clears waivers 48 hours after his release, Davis, 32, will then have the right to proceed to free agency and pick his next team.


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Sources with knowledge of Davis' thinking told ESPN.com in early November that the former UCLA star's hometown Los Angeles Lakers and the Knicks are the two teams he's always dreamed of playing for. Davis also still has a good relationship with the Charlotte community, Bobcats coach Paul Silas and Bobcats assistant coach Stephen Silas, factors which would likewise make the Bobcats an option if owner Michael Jordan is interested.

The Cavs weighed whether to keep Davis for one more season and try to play him alongside No. 1 overall pick Kyrie Irving. Cleveland coach Byron Scott, who had Davis in New Orleans, had also spoken optimistically of the idea that Irving and Davis could function well together in the same backcourt.

Yet the overriding sentiment within the organization calls for handing the keys of the franchise to Irving right away. With Ramon Sessions on the books in Cleveland for two more seasons at a cap-friendly salary and Daniel Gibson coming off his best season, letting Davis go now eases a potential backcourt logjam.

The recently re-signed Anthony Parker, furthermore, is also expected to play a lot of shooting guard for Cleveland to free up minutes at small forward for the newly acquired Omri Casspi.

Davis arrived in Cleveland in February in a trade-deadline deal for Mo Williams that was clinched by the Clippers' willingness to include their first overall pick in the June draft unprotected. That pick became Irving.

Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

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Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:50 pm
by rusty2
NBA Wanted Rockets To Also Include Lowry, Patterson For Gasol
Dec 15, 2011 8:01 PM EST


When the Hornets, Lakers and Rockets returned to the negotiating table after an initial Chris Paul trade was rejected, the NBA demanded that Kyle Lowry and Patrick Patterson be included in Houston's offer.

At that point, they would finally be given Pau Gasol.

Lowry, Patterson, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Goran Dragic, the NBA's asking price to route Gasol to the Rockets, would have represented five of their top six players.

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1gfMSf8b1

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:46 am
by rusty2
Probballdraft Probasketballdraft

Have heard from some around the league that Derrick Williams is struggling defensively trying to keep up with SFs. W/ Love entrenched at 4

17 Dec Favorite Retweet Reply

Just shocking !

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:42 pm
by jayjay7
I watched Friday's game and was wholly unimpressed with our rookies. I think Kyrie will ultimately be proficient but I didn't see a single skill, other than foul shooting, where he excelled. His lack of speed seemed apparent. Still he was ok as a pick just saying I think his upside is very limited.

But TT...ugh, ugh and ugh. He is a dime a dozen player. He has zero offensive skill set and looks very stiff. All that was reported at time of draft but boy did it coming ringing home Friday. I can't see TT ever averaging more than a dozen points a game and he will never ever be an offensive option. How we past on JV I will likely never understand. TT is no more than the 5th best starter on this team down the line and maybe not even a starter.

The only reason they picked him imo was because he was good friends with Kyrie and the cavs figured KI would more likely stay if he built a lasting relationship with another rookie.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:06 pm
by rusty2
The only reason they picked him imo was because he was good friends with Kyrie and the cavs figured KI would more likely stay if he built a lasting relationship with another rookie.

Here is another opinion. I really don't think the drafting of TT had anything thing to do with Irving. If you watched Andy's first game you would have felt the same way as you did about TT.

TT is a hustle player with length with limited offensive skills currently who has a great attitude. Not drafted to be a friend to Irving.

Hard to second guess a GM and an owner that got the first pick in the draft for Mo Williams and 7 million dollars over 2 years.

Now on to Kyrie. He was obviously gassed after the first half. He has not been able to work out while he was recuperating from his injury. He will be fine.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:37 pm
by TFIR
Kyrie was very impressive in the first half IMO. He is going to be a very good one. No worries there.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:14 am
by rusty2
Draft Rater: Who will be good pros?
By John Hollinger
Originally Published: June 20, 2011


Many experts think Kyrie Irving is the best prospect in the 2011 draft. What does the Draft Rater say?

It's a fool's errand, but let's do it anyway.

Yep, it's time for the Draft Rater. There are inherent limitations in trying to pore through a player's statistics and project what he'll be capable of five years down the road. The things the stats don't tell us -- about his dedication, eating habits, off-court life, the system his team runs, and 10,000 other things -- badly outnumber what the stats do tell us.

Yet, surprisingly, the stats seem able to tell us quite a bit. That's the premise behind the Draft Rater, my annual data-driven guide to the draft, and this year we have better clues than ever as to how it can help us and how it can't.

To review, my Draft Rater is a regression analysis comparing 16 variables to a player's NBA player efficiency rating, using the average of their top three seasons in their first seven years as a pro. Some haven't played three seasons yet or won't ever, so we take their career PER. We've also set a PER floor of 4.0 for those who couldn't make the league, and 5.0 for those who barely made it.

I've once again rebuilt it from the bottom up this year. Along with this year's revisions, the Rater was already getting smarter every year as it got more data and more NBA results from players already drafted. As a result, we can see with greater specificity which statistics translate to the pro game and which ones don't.

Second, we've seen the particular ways in which it fails. The most obvious one is on all the squishy stuff -- character, dedication, conditioning, etc. Michael Beasley, Michael Sweetney and DeMarcus Cousins all got huge marks from the Draft Rater, but one could justify passing on them on draft day given the other red flags. Similarly, we don't have a good measure for injury-proneness either -- Curtis Borchardt, Brandan Wright and Greg Oden, take a bow.

But more particularly, in back testing this year's Draft Rater, it's become obvious where it succeeds and where it falters. To wit:

• One-and-done gives it trouble. This isn't a fatal weakness, but players who stay only one year don't give the Rater enough information to develop a reliable estimate ... especially ones who improve rapidly through their freshman season, as Derrick Rose did in his one season at Memphis. Rose still finished with a strong rating, but if we'd based it solely on the second half of his freshman season it would have been much higher.

• UCLA messes it up. For some reason, every Ben Howland product massively outperformed his estimate as a pro. This is over a period of seven years involving 13 NBA prospects, and all of them except Josh Shipp outperformed; many of them did so by wide margins. Given the consistency of the disparity, I included a "Howland" variable in this year's model. One can argue that this is a case overfitting the model to past results, so we'll see how it projects this year with Tyler Honeycutt and Malcolm Lee.

• It's way better with perimeter players. This is probably the biggest realization from looking at back data on the draft rater. Perimeter players with high ratings all become stars. All of them. The big guys? Not so much. Some of them have become superstars -- Love, Blake Griffin, Chris Bosh. Many others, however, have merely been decent players. A couple with fairly high ratings haven't been able to play at all.

I believe there are two reasons for this.

The first is off the court. Looking back, if I could tag the stats with additional variables like "doesn't like basketball," "space cadet" or "pothead," I could make the projection for big men considerably more accurate.

This isn't a factor for perimeter players because it's very difficult to have such glaring red flags and succeed as a wing or a point guard -- there are too many other people of the same size and too many skills required that can be developed with only a certain level of dedication.

For big men it's a different game, however, especially at the college level. The biggest and most athletic ones can dominate the glass and shoot 65 percent on dunks and layups without developing much of anything else in the way of basketball skills.



Second, I believe the stats translate better for perimeter players because it's very hard to get true one-on-one post-up chances at the college level, but this is a major part of the diet for most NBA big men -- especially the ones that are drafted in the lottery. So for perimeter players, the college stats are a much more apples-to-apples translation.

• It skews higher for big men. This, in retrospect, is not a "problem" as much as something to keep in mind. In any draft, most of the early picks are big men, and there's a good reason for this -- first because size is rare, and second because bigs in general have a greater disparity between good and bad.

Second, historically power forwards have had the easiest time racking up a solid PER, and most of the big men on the board on draft day are power forwards rather than centers. As a result, in any given season there will be more highly rated bigs than perimeter players.

So, to review, it ain't perfect. But we can still learn a ton from it. Let's take a look at this year's Rater and see what it says about the top college prospects:

Kyrie Irving is the one sure thing

If I had to put my money on one player in the draft becoming a star, it would be Kyrie Irving.

OK, no shock there.

But here's the logic -- Irving's rating of 15.12 is the best of any perimeter player. While he compiled that in just 312 minutes, his low minute total actually hurts him in the Draft Rater (minutes played are a positive indicator of future success). And he's in pretty exclusive company. The other perimeter players to post a rating of more than 15 all became stars -- since 2002, the six perimeter players to do so are Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Dwyane Wade, Danny Granger and Rudy Gay. Based on those comparables, I like my chances if I'm Cleveland.

Two more perimeter players to like

If I had to peg two other perimeter players that I would guarantee to at least become solid rotation players, it would be Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard. While this year's draft doesn't project to have a lot of star talent at the perimeter positions, Walker and Leonard are the two who rate above 12 -- which, historically, has been a guarantee of at least being decent.

Of the 13 point guards to rate above 12, the list includes Paul, Jordan Farmar, T.J. Ford, Jay Williams, Russell Westbrook, Mike Conley, Jameer Nelson, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Frank Williams, Ty Lawson, Ray Felton and Darren Collison. Jay Williams had a bad injury, of course, but of those 12 only Frank Williams couldn't play. The others were all decent-to-great, which means Walker, at 12.75, looks fairly bust-proof.

Similarly, of the 14 wings to rate better than 12, the list includes Durant, Wade, Anthony, Granger, Gay, Luol Deng, Josh Childress, Mike Dunleavy, Dajuan Wagner, Rashad McCants, Evan Turner, Delonte West, Caron Butler and Ben Gordon. Only Wagner and McCants failed, and each pretty clearly had NBA talent. So Leonard, at 13.21 with no injury or character red flags, looks like a very, very safe play.



The mystery man

Tyler Honeycutt of UCLA is the player I'm most interested in watching in this draft (and this coming season). His rating of 12.56 rates him as a quality rotation player on the wing and a lottery pick.

However, much of his rating stems from the fact that he's a Howland product; eliminating that fact from the database knocked him down several pegs. Again, if we're guilty of overfitting the model to past results, he shouldn't be this high. He's projected to go late in the first round right now and could represent good value based on the overachieving history of other players from his school. Since I'm still apprehensive about the UCLA adjustment I have him 13th on my board.

Two Euros to watch

My Euroleague translations say two players in this year's draft, Jonas Valanciunas and Nikola Mirotic, would be rotation players immediately if they came to the States. Valanciunas rated higher, with a translated PER of 14.70 (albeit in limited minutes) compare to 13.66 for Mirotic. Of perhaps more importance is that Mirotic is contractually bound to stay in Europe for a few more years. He'd be a top-10 pick on my board if it weren't for that; as it is, I've dropped him behind all the players I consider relatively safe bets.



The other top European prospect, Czech forward Jan Vesely, doesn't grade out nearly as well. His first-year PER translates to 10.72; while one supposes he would improve further from that point given his youth and athleticism, it still makes him somewhere south of a sure thing. I've listed him as a top-20 pick based on potential and the general weakness of this draft, but taking him in the top five or 10 would be a mistake.

Two other internationals who warrant mentioning are Giorgi Shermadini and Bojan Bogdanovic. Shermadini, a 7-footer from the Republic of Georgia, forecasts as a sleeper with a 14.63 translated PER; however, he played in just 249 minutes, so we should take that with a grain of salt. He's an intriguing second-round play nonetheless. Bogdanovic is a more traditional second-round hopeful -- probably not good enough to play in the NBA now, but maybe he improves on somebody else's dime over the next few years.

No numbers here

There are four international men of mystery in this draft who did not play in the Euroleague last season and thus have no translated stats for me to discuss: Bismack Biyombo, Enes Kanter, Donatas Motiejunas, and Davis Bertans.

Fortunately, I've seen all three at the Hoop Summit the past two seasons. Biyombo has scouts worried because he can't shoot at all, but he's a dominating defensive force in the paint; at the absolute worst he's going to be better than Ekpe Udoh. I slotted him 11th on my board, behind all the players the Draft Rater is really gung-ho about. He's going to be a rotation player based on defense and rebounding alone; the question is if he can finish enough plays at the basket to start.

Kanter is sort of the anti-Biyombo; He's not much of an athlete and will be suspect at the defensive end, but has such a high skill level offensively that he's going to score relatively easily. A good comparable might be fellow Turk Mehmet Okur, except Kanter is probably more skilled with the ball.

Motiejunas and Bertans are worthwhile choices later in the first round; each is high on skill but suspect in terms of strength and athleticism. An American who was last seen in Europe, Jeremy Tyler, falls into the same category.

Two point guards on the fence

Brandon Knight could go as high as the third pick, while Jimmer Fredette is also a likely lottery selection. Draft Rater is pretty lukewarm on both of them. Knight rates at 10.02 and Fredette rates at 10.45; unheralded Norris Cole of Cleveland State has a better rating than both. Each projects to have a career, but probably as a third guard or marginal starter.



In Knight's case, as a one-and-done we have to acknowledge that the system hasn't rated players like him as accurately, although it has done very well with guards as a whole. Fredette has a slightly better rating in a larger body of work.

Among point guards to rate between 10 and 11, the historical comps aren't great: One All-Star (Rajon Rondo), one really good player (Kyle Lowry), several halfway decent players (Luke Ridnour, D.J. Augustin, Jerryd Bayless, Mario Chalmers), and some end-of-bench filler (Darius Washington, Marcus Banks).

I moved Knight up to 12th on my board to reflect that his one-and-done status may result in his being undervalued; on sheer rating he'd be in the 20s. Fredette I've left at 19 ... two spots behind Cole.

Guards who don't make the cut

Probably the most suspect candidate, according to Draft Rater, is Marshon Brooks; his 7.88 rating was 27th among perimeter players. The Providence guard put up huge stats, but his average is hugely padded by two factors: First, the Friars played the fastest pace of any major Division I team; second, Brooks played nearly every minute of every game, averaging 36.5 per game -- remember, they play only 40 in college. Let all the air out and his numbers look a lot more ordinary -- his usage rate, which is his most alluring stat, ranks only ninth among prospects. Given his age (22 and five months) and his relative inefficiency, I'm not sure there's a ton to see here. Draft Rater sees him as a second rounder.

Kansas' Josh Selby rated even worse -- 7.69, 30th among perimeter players. I moved him up my board a bit to account for his one-and-done status, but his raw numbers were rather poor. In particular, a point guard with a -1.11 pure point rating should send talent evaluators shrieking. It was easily the worst of any point guard prospect, and worse than all but five wings as well.

The big man conundrum

As I noted above, the Draft Rater has been really solid on perimeter players. On interior players, the results have been a bit more scattered. The problem has been "false positives." It has picked out all the guys who could play; it has just picked out a lot of other guys a long with them.



For that reason, we want to tread a little more carefully with the frontcourt players. However, two players in particular warrant our attention: Tristan Thompson and Derrick Williams.

Thompson and Williams had the highest ratings of any player in the Draft Rater this year, and while that doesn't come with the same assurances it does for Kyrie Irving, they both appear to be very solid prospects. Of the 13 players who rated at 15.5 or above in previous iterations, most were very successful as pros, and the ones that weren't tended to fail due to injuries and lack of professionalism -- issues that shouldn't be factors for Thompson and Williams. The one true miss was Jared Jeffries.

The other strong frontcourt prospect is Tobias Harris of Tennessee with a rating of 14.83. Of the 19 big men to rate between 13.5 and 15.5, a few were dogs, but two became All-Stars (Al Horford and Carlos Boozer) and most became quality players.

Things start getting more iffy at the next level, where we get into the Jon Leuers and Nikola Vucevicses. Also included in that group is unheralded Greg Smith from Fresno State, who could end up as a second-round steal.



Big men who rated between 12 and 14, as those three did, have been a mixed bag: Nearly all had careers and some were very good, but several were career backups and a few were just flat-out bad. Of the 29, two became All-Stars (LaMarcus Aldridge and David West), and 15 of the 29 became top-eight rotation players.

Similarly, those who rated between 11 and 12 -- as Malcolm Thomas, Jordan Williams, Rick Jackson and JaJuan Johnson do -- were very much a mixed bag. The takeaway here is to put more credence on scouting reports with players in this range; I've done that on my draft board. Lacking strong evidence one way or the other in this range, we'll go with the subjective opinions.

At the back end, two players who rate surprisingly weak are Marcus and Markieff Morris of Kansas. Historically, big men who rate between 10 and 11 are career backups. Of the 23 who did so, only David Lee became a star; five others became top-eight rotation players, and the rest were bench filler or didn't make the league at all. Based on that information, they're late first- or early second-round selections. On my board, I have the Morrises ahead of the other players in the 10-12 range, but it's tough to justify putting them ahead of similarly rated perimeter players.

Summing it up

Which takes us to the final step -- my draft board. Based on all the information from Draft Rater, the projections of the Europeans, what I've seen in the past three Hoop Summits, and using the general consensus of draftniks as a tie-breaker with the close calls, here's how my board of the top 60 looks.

But first, if you're looking for the CliffsNotes version of my Draft Rater, here are the five big takeaways:

• Marshon Brooks, Josh Selby and the two Morrises appear overvalued.
• Brandon Knight, Jimmer Fredette and Jan Vesely are overvalued, but not as strongly.
• Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams are, rightly, the top two players on the board.
• Tristan Thompson and Tobias Harris are undervalued.
• Jon Leuer, Norris Cole and Greg Smith are your sleepers.

And now, my top 60 heading into Wednesday:

My board

1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Tristan Thompson
4. Jonas Valuncianas
5. Kawhi Leonard
6. Enes Kanter
7. Kemba Walker
8. Tobias Harris
9. Alec Burks
10. Jordan Hamilton
11. Bismack Biyombo
12. Brandon Knight
13. Tyler Honeycutt
14. Jon Leuer
15. Nikola Vucevic
16. Chris Singleton
17. Jan Vesely
18. Klay Thompson
19. Norris Cole
20. Iman Shumpert
21. Nikola Mirotic
22. Jimmer Fredette
23. Donatas Motiejunas
24. Greg Smith
25. Marcus Morris
26. JaJuan Johnson
27. Markieff Morris
28. Davis Bertans
29. Kenneth Faried
30. Jeremy Tyler
31. Jordan Williams
32. Bojan Bogdanovic
33. Darius Morris
34. Giorgi Shermadini
35. Reggie Jackson
36. Rick Jackson
37. Brad Wanamaker
38. Damian Saunders
39. Nolan Smith
40. Malcolm Thomas
41. Travis Leslie
42. Trey Thompkins
43. Malcolm Lee
44. Charles Jenkins
45. Cory Joseph
46. E'Twaun Moore
47. Josh Selby
48. Jacob Pullen
49. Justin Harper
50. Jimmy Butler
51. Matt Howard
52. Jamie Skeen
53. Jereme Richmond
54. Keith Benson
55. D.J. Kennedy
56. Marshon Brooks
57. Isaiah Thomas
58. Andrew Goudelouck
59. Lavoy Allen
60. Shelvin Mack

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ftrater-110620

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:16 am
by rusty2
JMO, I still think Brandon Knight might be the best player in this draft when they look back a few years from now. Will be a much better PG in the pros then he was allowed to be at Kentucky.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:19 am
by rusty2
Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson could bring needed skills: Terry Pluto's Cleveland Cavaliers Scribbles

Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 3:07 AM Updated: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 3:07 AM

By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer


Cavaliers forward Tristan Thompson looks for room around Pistons power forward Jason Maxiell in the first quarter Tuesday.

1. These are very early returns, but it appears the Cavs do have two rookies worth watching in Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson. Fans have heard a lot about Irving, the top player in the draft and in position at the point where it is very easy to show his skills. His ability to create a shot when covered and the 24-second clock is ticking down is critical, because the Cavs remain weak at the two most athletic spots in the NBA -- small forward and shooting guard.

2. The shooting guards are Anthony Parker and Daniel Gibson. Cavs fans know their games -- both are best when a stand-still jump shooter. They have trouble creating shots off the dribble and don't draw many fouls.

3. That's why Irving is so important. He displays something rarely seen from a young guard -- an in-between driving shot from the 6- to 12-foot range. Most young players either take a stationary jumper from the outside, or drive all the way to the rim. Irving dropped in an 8-foot banker from the right side, a 10-foot floater from the left. It's hard to believe, but many NBA players can't make layups with both hands -- Irving can.

4. Irving shot 50 percent on 3-pointers at Duke, so he obviously has a good jump shot. But right now, he is taking too many of them off-balance and rushed -- when there is no reason to do so. He is 0-of-7 from 3-point range in the two games.



5. Nearly every young point guard has trouble defensively, and Irving is destined to struggle in this year. The Cavs are hoping Ramon Sessions can help, because he has the size and athleticism to defend at the point -- but he rarely has shown the inclination to consistently do so. Coach Byron Scott's biggest concern is defense when it comes to Irving, who is only 19 and played a mere 11 games at Duke.

6. Omri Casspi is the small forward, and he has the size and physical gifts to drive to the basket, but he seems to prefer standing on the perimeter. Casspi averaged only 1.9 free-throw attempts in 24 minutes per game in his two seasons with Sacramento. He shot 37 percent on 3-pointers, 42 percent from the field. He's only 23 and can rebound at 6-9 and 225 pounds. But he should be more aggressive on offense and not just view himself as an outside shooter.

7. Scott has been on Casspi to drive more, and he did deliver 18 points and five rebounds. He is a real key to the team. He will start at small forward, backed up by Alonzo Gee. The Cavs praised how Gee looked in practice, but in 45 preseason minutes, he's 1-of-9 with five points. He does have 10 rebounds, but a small forward has to produce some offense.

8. Ryan Hollins was 0-of-3 from the field and fouled out in 22 minutes. In the fourth quarter, it was four fouls and three turnovers, which didn't thrill Scott -- he mentioned those stats. Samardo Samuels should be the backup center to Anderson Varejao, who had 10 rebounds in 25 minutes and was constantly hustling.

9. Thompson is an intriguing prospect because he wants to rebound -- nine in 45 preseason minutes -- and has a knack of coming up with loose balls under the basket. He is much like Varejao, in that respect. It is easy to dwell on his poor outside shooting, but the power forward can be a force on the defensive end. He also can be a very effective offensive rebounder. He has 16 points in the preseason, so he's not hopeless on offense.

10. The attendance was announced at 9,853. It looked closer to 6,000.