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Re: General Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:59 pm
by loufla
Civ- A good manager uses his bench effectively. One of the reasons I think a manager is worth way more than 3-4 games a year. More like 8-12.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:44 pm
by J.R.
Tribe Fan in SC/Cali wrote:
Detroit is 7 games over with their loss today to keep those loving Mark Shapiro and hoping for a 2013 Cleveland Indians post season, and more, still paying attention to the games.
Check my math, but I think Detroit can get to 85 wins by going a tick over .500 the rest of the way. 43-42, as I clock it.
We need to go 46-38 the rest of the way to get to enough wins to top Detroit on the last day of the season, if they indeed go just that tick over .500.
This Tribe Team went 11-13 in April, and is currently 10-13 in June. Personally, I do not see any way we will catch Detroit.
You might want to update your calculations there...
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:04 pm
by J.R.
We've played 82 games, one past the midpoint of the season. Instead of the "June swoon" predicted by some, we are tied for first place. This team consistently scores runs with 2 outs, and has shown the ability to come from behind late in games. We have a lot of speed on the team, a welcome change from last year. Francona seems to be more proactive, and to have a better rapport with his players than the previous manager.
Not a bad first half, I'd say.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:43 pm
by TFIR
Civ - Aviles helped turn some nice double plays today. He is a one man infield bench!
Masterson is another guy gotten in a trade, written off. Not so fast!
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:01 pm
by civ ollilavad
Aviles is a very good player. Gomes is a terrific defensive catcher: picked off a runner today. Rayburn is way better than we had any reason to expect. Giambi walks a lot and bats in a lot of runs, I'm happy to have him, too.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:23 pm
by Tribe Fan in SC/Cali
J.R. wrote:We've played 82 games, one past the midpoint of the season. Instead of the "June swoon" predicted by some, we are tied for first place. This team consistently scores runs with 2 outs, and has shown the ability to come from behind late in games. We have a lot of speed on the team, a welcome change from last year. Francona seems to be more proactive, and to have a better rapport with his players than the previous manager.
Not a bad first half, I'd say.
Actually, The Cleveland Indians are a percentage tick in SECOND place as July arrives.
This is a Mark Shapiro built team, and with a nod to Frank Sinatra, "The Best is Yet to Come," Cleveland Fans have reached the pinnacle of 2013 Fandom.
Tease, tease, and all downhill from here.
I've seen it for 50+ years, and for EVERY year that Mark Shapiro has been associated with the organization. HIS failures have been among the worst.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:27 pm
by rusty2
Must have returned from the beach where he was looking to pick up runaways !
Have another drink and pass out as usual.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:49 pm
by J.R.
TFIR wrote:If you can't get enthused about what we are seeing these days, that is sad.
I give Francona a lot of credit for the kind of team chemistry we see out there. Read his book, and it is not surprising. That's what he does.
He gets everyone involved! You see it in the lineups.
NOT a Tribe Fan no longer living in NC or Cal wants us all to give up hope, and not enjoy the ride.
Still waiting for an update on those stats. If Detroit goes .500 the rest of the way, what do the Indians have to do to pass them?
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:00 pm
by Tribe Fan in SC/Cali
J.R. wrote:TFIR wrote:If you can't get enthused about what we are seeing these days, that is sad.
I give Francona a lot of credit for the kind of team chemistry we see out there. Read his book, and it is not surprising. That's what he does.
He gets everyone involved! You see it in the lineups.
NOT a Tribe Fan no longer living in NC or Cal wants us all to give up hope, and not enjoy the ride.
Still waiting for an update on those stats. If Detroit goes .500 the rest of the way, what do the Indians have to do to pass them?
Hey, I get the enjoyment of the ride, and it is super great that it has lasted into the beginning of July.
Again, that is rarified air for Cleveland Indians Fandom since Carl Stokes was elected and Jim Brown soon after said like Roberto Duran a few years later, "no mas."
My voice is clear. Mark Shapiro is a loser. The City of Cleveland is a loser.
Call me out on the last day of the season of 2013 and have a barbecued crow for consumption.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:44 am
by Baron
J.R. wrote:Tribe Fan in SC/Cali wrote:
Detroit is 7 games over with their loss today to keep those loving Mark Shapiro and hoping for a 2013 Cleveland Indians post season, and more, still paying attention to the games.
Check my math, but I think Detroit can get to 85 wins by going a tick over .500 the rest of the way. 43-42, as I clock it.
We need to go 46-38 the rest of the way to get to enough wins to top Detroit on the last day of the season, if they indeed go just that tick over .500.
This Tribe Team went 11-13 in April, and is currently 10-13 in June. Personally, I do not see any way we will catch Detroit.
You might want to update your calculations there...
Oh numbers games.....funny how they work when you conveniently leave out a whole month.
This Tribe team went 18-12 May and 15-13 in June. Another team went 14-14 in May and 14-13 in June.
One team has gone .578 for the past 2 months, another team has gone .509 (just a tic over .500) for the past 2 months.
Hmmmm......
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:23 am
by civ ollilavad
If Detroit goes .500 the rest of the way, what do the Indians have to do to pass them?
I guess it would be .501!
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:46 am
by rusty2
My voice is clear. Mark Shapiro is a loser. The City of Cleveland is a loser.
I think everyone here is very clear on who is the loser.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:25 am
by J.R.
CALIFLA is turning into Kerry Shuttlesworth.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:48 am
by fkreutz
Be interesting to see how attendance is the last 10 games before the break....
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:45 pm
by TFIR
If a team is in first place after the halfway point, 6 games over .500 and a "fan" is that pessimistic, the problem lies NOT with the team.
Sad to have that jaded a look at a sport (of all things).