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Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:51 pm
by civ ollilavad
the Cavs are a great advertisement for only watching the 4th quarter of games.
After rally on Monday, they continue to lead the NBA in come from behind wins when trailing enter 4th quarter; in games when behind by 10+ at some point
And at the same time they've had a number of games where they've lost good size leads down the stretch, not scoring over the final several minutes or some key several minute stretch in the 4th quarter.
So come late, and see the game that matters

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:46 pm
by TFIR
Lol but civ if they don't do the first 3 quarters correctly, or at least close to, then the 4th will then not matter.

Like a symphony. The first part sets up the last.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:48 pm
by TFIR
Cavaliers trade scenarios: What I’m hearing ahead of NBA trade deadline

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Jan 16, 2023; Cleveland, Ohio, USA; Cleveland Cavaliers forward Isaac Okoro (35) shoots a three point basket as guard Donovan Mitchell (45) reacts to the shot during the second half against the New Orleans Pelicans at Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse. Mandatory Credit: Ken Blaze-USA TODAY Sports
By Kelsey Russo
Jan 19, 2023

With the NBA trade deadline only three weeks away, one of the Cleveland Cavaliers’ biggest looming questions centers around their starting small forward spot.

Anything can happen at this point of the season. For instance, the Cavs acquired Caris LeVert just days before last year’s deadline.

Could Cleveland seek an improvement at small forward by Feb. 9? Do the Cavs even have the means to do so? Or should they roll with their current group through the end of the season? There are a few factors influencing this conversation.

Let’s dive in.

Salary-cap situation
The first factor we’ll examine is Cleveland’s finances. According to Spotrac, the Cavs are over the salary-cap max by $29.6 million and roughly $2.5 million below the luxury-tax line. If the Cavs go over the luxury tax, the repeat offender tax won’t be far away.

Cleveland also does not have much available in terms of first-round assets to use by the deadline. The team’s 2023 first-round pick is owed to Indiana due to the aforementioned LeVert acquisition. The Cavs have a 2024 first-round selection, but that pick can’t be moved until the night of next year’s NBA Draft. Their remaining first-rounders through 2029 were included in the trade for Donovan Mitchell as outright picks (2025, 2027, 2029) or selection swaps (2026 and 2028).

If rival teams make a first-round pick their price tag for a trade, Cleveland’s lack of such assets could prove an issue in sweetening a deal.

The small forward spot
The Cavs have tried multiple options on the wing this season, beginning with Caris LeVert, then moving to Lamar Stevens and Isaac Okoro. Dean Wade was also a part of that grouping but has dealt with injuries in the first half of the season.

LeVert won the starting job after an impressive training camp and preseason. However, following the Cavs’ five-game losing skid in November, there was a change to the starting lineup, with Stevens subbing in at small forward. It was a mutual decision between LeVert and coach J.B. Bickerstaff, as LeVert had approached Bickerstaff about coming off the bench to have the ball in his hands more in the second unit to create for himself and his teammates.

“He’s been aggressive, and this is who we thought Caris was,” Bickerstaff said of LeVert recently. “We know he is a capable scorer, but he’s also a playmaker. And I think he’s starting to find some comfort and find a rhythm, understand where his spots are coming from.”

LeVert’s contract makes him a tradable asset, as he is on an expiring contract worth $18.8 million and will be an unrestricted free agent this offseason. The Cavs, however, have expressed an appreciation for what LeVert brings to their group.

His role also doesn’t change much, even with Ricky Rubio back in the guard mix. Bickerstaff described Rubio’s presence as making LeVert’s job easier. Rubio can be the facilitator while LeVert can be aggressive, make a play or finish one-on-one.

When Stevens stepped into the starting lineup, he brought a defensive presence to that group. But in December, he missed three games with knee soreness, and Okoro was inserted into the starting lineup. The starting job has ping-ponged over the last month between the two, as Stevens re-entered the starting lineup for four games before Okoro started the last eight for the Cavs.

In this eight-game stretch, though, Okoro has looked strong on both ends of the floor. He’s knocking down 3s, cutting to the basket for layups and being physical on defense. Okoro has shot 60.9 percent from 3 and 58.7 percent from the field over those last eight games. His 17 points against the Memphis Grizzlies on Wednesday marked a season high.

“I mean, it’s about earning what you get and fitting with the group that’s in front of you,” Bickerstaff said following Tuesday’s practice. “I think Isaac has done that. Again, we’ve talked about it time and time again. He’s a tireless worker, and he’s a great teammate. All he wants to do is help the team win and support people the best way he possibly can. So, to me, it’s like you want guys like that to be rewarded, and I think he’s done that. You watch him, his shooting numbers have continued to improve, his aggressiveness has improved. Again, we’re trying to figure out the best piece for this team, and we’ve put a ton of time with Isaac, and we believe in Isaac and just want to give him an opportunity to be successful.”

The other option the Cavs have had at small forward is Wade. The 26-year-old was working his way back from a shoulder injury that has sidelined him since Dec. 2 when he suffered an ankle injury when he stepped on a player’s foot at practice a week and a half ago, a league source told The Athletic.

“He’s not [doing] five-on-five yet,” Bickerstaff said following Tuesday’s practice. “Again, because of where he was before, it won’t need as much to get him back to going because it wasn’t as big of a setback.”

Wade agreed to a contract extension in September and, by league rules, cannot be traded for six months after signing an extension. But the Cavs like what Wade brings to the table with his size, length, great feet, floor spacing, perimeter shooting and defense.

Cleveland has multiple options at small forward, and all have seen time in the starting lineup during the first half of the season. Is there a player out there in the trade market Cleveland would consider a better fit?

Potential trade targets
As the deadline approaches, other names could arise as the landscape changes. Here are two recently reported names the Cavs are connected to in some fashion.

The Athletic’s Shams Charania reported on Tuesday that the Cavs are among teams registering interest in Detroit’s Bojan Bogdanović. The veteran forward, who signed an extension with the Pistons in October and is under contract through 2025, could bring floor spacing and perimeter shooting. He is shooting 41.5 percent from 3 this season.

NBA correspondent Marc Stein also reported recently that the Cavs have considered a three-team trade involving the Utah Jazz and Atlanta Hawks in which the Cavs would acquire Malik Beasley from the Jazz, the Hawks would ship John Collins to Utah and LeVert would be headed to Atlanta.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:50 pm
by TFIR
Remember this about Levert.

They brought him in last year because they couldn't score when anything happened to Garland. Even when he was on the bench resting.

So Levert was the #2 guy yet he had come off injury and had issues fitting in.

This year they brought in Donovan Mitchell. He bumps Garland to #2 option and Levert is off the map - he has his best games when Garland is out or Mitchell is.

Bottom line the addition of Mitchell means that the Cavs can find a better fit than Levert. They don't need him for what he was brought in for.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:24 pm
by civ ollilavad
That certainly seems accurate about Lavert. Of course it;s nice to have him available to step up when Darius or Donovan is out; and because their size and aggressive play both miss a dozen or more games a season.
Okoro meanwhile has turned the corner on his career? He won't shoot close to 60% permanently but if he has some serious offensive to add to his defensive skills would be an adequate 5th starter with 4 potential all stars joining him in the lineup?

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:43 pm
by rusty2
I have felt all along that Levert would be traded if Rubio could prove he was healthy.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:52 pm
by rusty2
I think if nothing else happens you may see Malik Beasley and Jarred Vanderbilt for Caris LeVert and Dylan Windler.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:51 pm
by civ ollilavad
worst game of the year for the cavs on Friday. Kerr rested 4 of his 5 starters and the Warriors ran away with the game in Cleveland

MItchell and Rubio out for the Cavs. Curry, Thompson, Green and Wiggins all got the night off; Kerr probably thought he had conceded the game

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:28 am
by civ ollilavad
Best game of his life so far by Mobley Saturday night, Giannis was out and this time we took advantage of absent players although it wasn't easy

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:00 am
by rusty2
Wanted to throw this out here in case it happens. Cavs have to make a huge decision before the trade deadline. Kevin Love has an expiring contract at the end of the season. Since they are so far over the cap his expiring contact will not let the Cavs replace his 30 million dollar contract. Now they can bank that savings or maintain that 30 million dollar contract slot by trading Love before the deadline for 30 million in contracts that would give other teams cap relief.

To further that thought both Love and LeVert were held out of the game last night.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:59 am
by civ ollilavad
Love and Lavert were not hurt?

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:52 pm
by rusty2
They both were listed as injured.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:50 am
by TFIR
It is suspicious. I mean, Love is never held out for rest since he only plays substitute minutes.

Levert is definitely on the trade block.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 12:22 pm
by rusty2
Cavs play tomorrow so we will see what happens.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:03 pm
by civ ollilavad
Love has ;missed a lot of games lately with a real injury