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TFIR: Here's a discussion on Crawford from RotoWorld: http://forums.rotoworld.com/index.php?s ... &start=160

Youk just went deep. They may just be breaking out. Definitely playing better lately.

And right on cue....Crawford off the wall.

And I just picked up Jed Lowrie!

I am not related J.R.

Nice avatar, PAT! Is that Pete?

Yes, thats Pete. Was my favorite player.

Should he be in the Hall?

While you're here, PAT, how prevalent were steroids, etc, in your experience?

Since Pete's gambling occurred in his managing career, I still think he should be in the Hall of Fame for his playing career, and banned from baseball managing, coaching etc.

IMO it's the ultimate absurdity. Baseball is a game involving hitting a ball with a bat. This guy had more hits than anyone in history. Hall of Fame should be a no brainer.

No steroids whatsoever when I played J.R.. In fact lifting weights was considered taboo, especially for pitchers, when I played. They said it would restrict your range of motion.

First time I really heard about or saw steroids was Brian Bosworth. I was talking to Doug Dieken during last years training camp and he played left tackle at 237 lbs.

I have a friend who played pro football in the late 70s, into the 80's - 6 years total, all for the Jets.

He assures me that Klecko and Gastineau were on steroids. Told me that Gastineau was a skinny kid at first, then one offseason he came back huge. Everyone assumed it was 'roids - you couldn't bulk up THAT much on just workouts.

I remember early in the 80s, I had a skinny little kid in my 7th grade English class, kind of a pain, but mostly immature. 4 years later he was in my Latin class, and was twice the size, a very good athlete, and very belligerent, with a short fuse. I realized later that it was probably steroids. ( I hadn't heard much about them back then)

DON: You need an avatar!

Avatars are for the weak.

No wait, that's sleep. Sleep is for the weak.

Actually I like my avatar as it is. Makes me look younger and slimmer

TFIR, quit making sense already.