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Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:53 pm
by TFIR
Except that NBA basketball is infinitely more physical than baseball. :lol: Right Chiz?

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:35 am
by rusty2
Mark, Love with 20 rebounds, 6 assists and 17 points. Thompson with 23 points and 10 rebounds. Thompson says he wants to be on the all defensive team. Clarkson with instant offense off of the bench. Cavs win.

Cavs have some very valuable assets when the time comes......

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:15 am
by civ ollilavad
2-2, beat teams ranked 11 missing star and 24, at home. Interesting to see all the minutes given to the three kids. [we are ranked 30 of 30 on the site on I looked at]

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:27 am
by TFIR
Eight observations from Cavs’ second win: Sexton’s dunk, rookie development and Thompson’s defensive presence
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By Kelsey Russo Oct 30, 2019 10
CLEVELAND — When the Cavs came in for the start of training camp, coach John Beilein wanted Tristan Thompson to run through a particular test that measures if a player is in shape. The drill breaks down to a “suicide drill” in practice, but with a twist. Thompson had to run three consecutive sprints in 30 seconds, with 30 seconds of rest in between.

Beilein didn’t think Thompson would make the drill; he said bigs tend to have a harder time making it through the drill on the first try. Especially in preseason. But Thompson did on the first try, one after another, after another.

“He asked me to do it, gotta do it,” Thompson said. “Set an example for the other guys. It was a long practice, so I didn’t think I was going to do it, but I did it. I destroyed it and it’s on to the next challenge.”

Thompson’s shape has impressed Beilein since the beginning of the season, and the work has paid off.

Through four games, Thompson has been a crucial component for the Cavs on both sides of the floor. The Cavs’ 117-111 win over the Chicago Bulls on Wednesday was the latest example of the veteran’s contributions, leading to the second win of the season. On the defensive end, Beilein wants Thompson to be the last line of defense and protect the rim. Thompson delivered. He had a career-high five blocks and recorded his fourth straight double-double of the season with 10 rebounds and 23 points.

“I’ve got goals, and Coach Beilein has put the bug in my ear, so I’m accepting the challenge. We want to protect the paint — last year in the pick-and-roll and our paint protection was bad — especially with not having John Henson in, so someone’s got to protect that rim. So I accept the challenge and that’s what I did tonight.”

Here are seven other observations from the Cavs’ second win at home.

1. Kevin Porter Jr. had a fourth quarter that truly showed off his potential when he took his shots. He hesitated throughout the first half to shoot, instead passing the ball off to a teammate.

“Throughout these four games I’ve been struggling from the 3, so everybody — players and coaches — have just been telling me to shoot, and once you see one go in, it’s going to be all right,” Porter said. “I was choosing the first half. I didn’t want to shoot. They got on me at halftime about that. They said, ‘Take the open ones.'”

In the fourth quarter, he drained a catch-and-shoot 3-pointer without hesitation, his first career 3-pointer. He then followed up with a dunk four minutes later. Seeing that first shot go down was a relief and a confidence booster. Porter said Kevin Love and Matthew Dellavedova have told him to shoot every day.

“That swing-swing that I had to him, I told him the ball was going to come and be ready to shoot it and he was,” Love said. “That’s why I looked at him and we started laughing on the way back down the floor. He had the ball in transition, he can be devastating when he plays downhill and I was really enjoying that, him just showing what he’s capable of tonight.”

Porter scored nine points, had one block and grabbed four rebounds.

2. There was a change in some of the early lineups, with Collin Sexton seeing minutes at point guard without Darius Garland or Dellavedova on the floor during the second quarter. It was short-lived, as Dellavedova came in for Sexton to take over at point. It happened again toward the beginning of the fourth quarter, when Porter, Love, Larry Nance Jr. and Jordan Clarkson were on the floor, along with Sexton. Beilein said the reason for the change was to find a way to give Sexton more minutes.

“That was the whole idea there, that he’s valuable to us,” Beilein said. “But Jordan as well had been playing sub-20, and we thought it was good to get him to 20-25, so by doing that we keep Collin on the floor because he’s such an explosive player.”

Clarkson played 25:54 and scored 17 points with four assists. He hit a timely 3-pointer in the third quarter, along with a free throw in the final second of the game.

3. Love recorded his fourth straight double-double of the season in the first half against the Bulls. By halftime, he scored 10 points and added 16 rebounds. He finished the game with 17 points and 20 rebounds.

He dressed up as the character Jason Voorhees when he came to the game, and wore his Jason mask as he did his postgame interview. He also carried a bat that was signed by Cleveland Indians slugger Carlos Santana in honor of Game 7 of the World Series.

4. There were some offensive blips that appeared in the second quarter when it took to 7:43 for the Cavs to score off a driving reverse layup from Thompson. They shot 9-of-22 from the field and 2-of-7 from the arc in the second quarter. But the second half, and especially the fourth quarter, they quickly made up for those blips as the offensive production kicked into full gear.

Between Garland’s 23-foot 3-point shot, Porter’s 3-pointer and dunk, along with Sexton’s dunk, the youth of the team brought a life in the final quarter.

“I don’t know how (Garland) threw that one, he was sitting in my lap. To get those, we just needed those types of things,” Beilien said. “There was several times in there where they had a turnover or they did something and I said, ‘damn the youth.’ They got to learn from this play and I’m thinking right away we’ll show them that on video tomorrow. And then all of a sudden, boom, we made three plays that showed them why they are in the NBA right now.”

5. Sexton’s dunk in the final 30 seconds of the game gave a boost to the Cavs and to the arena. Love grabbed Sexton after in praise, while Porter ran over to him and expressed his excitement. The entire Cavs’ bench, and many of those in attendance, were on their feet for the final 30 seconds of the game.

“I had seen (Zach) LaVine, he stepped up a little too far and he gave me the back door so I just took it and Kev found me,” Sexton said. “I was going to try to lay it and I was like, ‘I might as well dunk it.'”

6. Through the first four games of the season, Brandon Knight has not seen time on the floor. While Beilein said he would be working through a 9-10 man rotation, Knight has not been a part of that mix. During a timeout in the first quarter, Knight appeared to be going through stretches to warm up; however, he didn’t check into the game.

After Knight did not see time in the season opener against Orlando, Beilein said it was important to evaluate the younger players in order to take stock of where they are and how they can grow.

“All I urged him was, ‘You be ready to be in position. When we need you then you’re ready,'” Beilein said at practice on Oct. 25. “Can’t check out of the game and think, ‘I’m not playing.'”

7. The Cavs exercised Sexton’s third-year option, a source told The Athletic on Tuesday, two days before the deadline on Oct. 31. It was officially announced by the Cavs on Wednesday afternoon. However, the Cavs did not exercise Ante Zizic’s fourth-year option on Wednesday, a source confirmed to The Athletic. He will become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.

8. Zizic is sidelined with plantar fasciitis in his left foot and has been out for almost two weeks. He is expected to be out for up to another two weeks. At morning shootaround on Wednesday, he was seen getting some work in taking shots at the rim.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:18 pm
by rusty2
civ ollilavad wrote:2-2, beat teams ranked 11 missing star and 24, at home. Interesting to see all the minutes given to the three kids. [we are ranked 30 of 30 on the site on I looked at]
Civ, very entertaining basketball played by players hustling and a great plan by a head coach. If you are expecting a championship you are missing the point. Really does not matter where teams are ranked.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:42 pm
by TFIR
rusty - was amazed at the intensity Kevin Love was showing. He is taking this leadership thing very seriously.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:15 am
by rusty2
He looks like the Kevin Love (pre Lebron) that Cleveland thought that they traded for.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:35 am
by civ ollilavad
my son, who is the basketball fan in the family, has decided he likes the kids and has accepted tickets to their game vs the Wizards next Friday. He'll give me an inperson report on the team.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:21 am
by TFIR
rusty2 wrote:He looks like the Kevin Love (pre Lebron) that Cleveland thought that they traded for.
Well, we might notice the new thing in the NBA is "twosomes" not big 3s. It's incredibly difficult - both in terms of salaries and in terms of being the 3rd banana that Bosh and Love got stuck with.

They were too talented to be relegated to role players.

In Love's case he also ended up with injuries complicating it all. He seems past it all, happy to say because he is an amazing offensive talent when set free.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:40 am
by civ ollilavad
It's hard not to be impressed with Love's desire to fill the building block, teacher role for the kids who are now the Cavs future.
Do you guys who know stuff think that it is possible that Love, Thompson and Clarkson will all be kept? That still leaves a couple other expiring contracts to deal.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:25 am
by TFIR
Similar of course to how deals work in MLB, it all depends on what they can fetch.

Compare this to a Kluber since they are similar veterans - and actually last offseason when they tried to deal him is a better example since he was still killing it before this past struggling season.

They, without a doubt, would have dealt him if they had gotten an offer they liked. Because he is an older guy taking up salary space. But they didn't - obviously because nothing was worth their while.

So I think the Cavs are highly motivated to max out both TT and Love - which wouldn't have been possible earlier on in their stays.

Cap space is so valuable in the NBA, that if they can find a way to free up space, get some assets/get younger, then they'd be foolish not to move then.

But if they can't do that....mentors they are then.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:49 pm
by rusty2
Definitely trade Thompson.

Coach loves Love.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:38 am
by TFIR
Lol, I would love him too if I were Coach B.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:29 pm
by rusty2
Cleveland Cavaliers: Terry’s talking, ‘How come these guys don’t stink?’


Today 5:48 AM

By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer


CLEVELAND – Talking to myself about why the Cleveland Cavaliers have not been awful:

QUESTION: Did you really think the Cavs would be terrible this season?

ANSWER: Most experts did. Basketball Reference predicted an NBA-worst record of 19-63. ESPN projected 22-60. Some Las Vegas lines went with a 24-58. I predicted 25. Be it 19 victories or 25, that’s a long, painful season.


Q: How have they already won two games?

A: Pretty amazing given they didn’t even have a lead in the second half during their first six games of last season. Then Tyronn Lue was fired as coach, replaced by Larry Drew.

Q: And Kevin Love had foot surgery?

A: Love played the first four games of the season and then was out until February as he recovered from the operation. But here was a hint. After he returned, the Cavs were 7-9 in games when he played at least 15 minutes.

Q: So it’s because of Love?

A: It starts with Love, the team’s oldest player at 31. He has embraced the role of leader on this young team. His passing, rebounding and willingness to take charges sets an excellent example. Those are things he developed with the Cavs after being traded here in 2014. He always was a prolific scorer.

Q: Aren’t you surprised with how well they have played?

A: Yes. Part of it is Lue was not going to embrace the post-LeBron building process, regardless of what he said. Some of the veterans also were not buying into it. It comes down to fountains and drains.


Q: Say what?

A: Cavs GM Koby Altman said he once had a coach who said some players were either “fountains or drains.” Fountains add something to team chemistry, drains take it away. Last year, he signed Love and Larry Nance Jr. to long-term contract extensions because they’re “fountains.” Veterans Tristan Thompson and Matthew Dellavedova have always been unselfish players, dating back to their roles on the LeBron James teams. Jordan Clarkson has an excellent attitude.

Q: What about the young players?

A: Let’s stay with the veterans. Thompson and Love both sacrificed to be a part of the 2016 title team. Thompson has worked hard to develop some inside scoring moves. He played only 43 games last season because of injuries. Now, he’s healthy and is a factor on both ends of the court.

Q: Is rebounding now the team’s strength?

A: That’s been a big part of the Cavs early season success. You have to add in Nance, who is grabbing 7.2 rebounds in 25 minutes a night. Love, Nance and Thompson are combining for 29 rebounds a game. The Cavs are the sixth-best rebounding team (differential) in the NBA. That will keep the score close most nights.


Q: What about the young players?

A: First, let’s talk about the 66-year-old rookie coach. The Cavs hired John Beilein because of his superb teaching skills in college. The same with assistant coach Lindsay Gottlieb. But they surrounded that pair with NBA veteran coaches J.B. Bickerstaff and Antonio Lang.

Q: How has Beilein done?

A: The former Michigan coach was rocked a bit by the fast pace of training camp. He is settling into the NBA. Think of Altman’s roster... the fountains... Beilien has veterans who support him.

Q: Finally, the young players?

A: Beilein made the decision to start rookie Darius Garland and second-year man Collin Sexton in the backcourt. He is also giving plenty of time to rookie Kevin Porter Jr. Beilein said: “We’re not afraid to let them make mistakes. The video never lies. We show it to them the next day.”

Q: So Beilein is buying into the development plan of the front office?

A: One of his favorite phrases is “you need to learn to be a basketball player, not just play basketball.” Those veterans are “basketball players” helping the young guys.


Q: What about Cedi Osman signing a four-year extension?

A: The 24-year-old small forward will never be a big scorer, but his hustle, defense and ballhandling make him valuable. He is a streaky shooter. He fits with the type of people and players the Cavs want.

Q: Don’t they want another high draft pick?

A: I’m sure they do. But they also want the young players to learn the NBA game in terms of winning. As Beilein said: “You can preach being positive and things are getting better. But you need to also get rewards, and that’s the W’s (wins).”

Q: Why haven’t you mentioned Brandon Knight with the veterans?

A: Before dealing with Knight’s situation, I know the front office doesn’t want the team to be a joke. It doesn’t want a repeat of the early Kyrie Irving years when he was allowed to do about anything he wanted on the court. While I expect them to trade veterans, I hope they keep Love and Nance. I’d tried to re-sign Clarkson, but he could be a hot name on the mid-season trade market.


Q: What about Knight?

A: The Cavs are loaded with guards. The three kids are Sexton, Garland and Porter. The veterans are Dellavedova and Clarkson. It seems Porter is getting the minutes that would probably go to Knight.

Q: So what happens to Knight?

A: The Cavs will try to trade him. He also could end up playing if someone is hurt. Dellavedova has had problems staying healthy the last few seasons. Garland has dealt with injuries last season and in training camp. Knight could end up being needed.

Q: One more time... what about the kids?

A: Sexton remains the same relentless scorer that he became in the second half of last season. Garland, just 19, has excellent shooting range and is a poised ballhandler, at least for a rookie. Porter, also 19, is wildly athletic and gifted. Beilein is challenging Porter to “be a basketball player.”

Q: What about Dylan Windler?

A: Can’t wait to see the rookie play. Hopefully, his foot injury will heal soon.

Q: Can these guys make the playoffs?


A: I doubt it. They’d need Love to stay healthy for a full season. They can turn around and lose 7-of-10 games quickly. So let’s not get carried away. But at least, they have been very interesting so far.

Re: Cleveland Cavaliers

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:07 pm
by civ ollilavad
Cavs continue to impress and lots of credit seems to go to their senior citizen rookie coach. Could be perfect for working with a corps of kids who are younger than some of his college team was. Wizards are no big deal but the game was on the road and Cavs took a big lead, lost it, and took it back again. Beilen for coach of the year. Still little chance they'll win 30 games I suppose but everyone seems impressed by the way they are playing.