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Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:38 am
by joez
Wow, did you know Brian Barton too ? How about Jody Gerut ? How about Alex Ramirez ? Did you know about them too ? Oh, you forgot about them. How about fast forwarding to this year and making reasonable suggestions. Or do you just want to continue to cry ?
Rusty!

It's hard to remember all those selections over the past 15 years or so :P .

I suppose you could add Matt McBride, Alex Escobar, Jacob Cruz, Karim Garcia, Josh Bard, Milton Bradley, Danys Baez, Jhonny Peralta, etc. to your list. Maybe you want to save this post for future reference. I know you're counting. :P

What about Tim Lincecum, Brandon Phillips, Jeremy Guthrie, Chris Sale, Yoenis Cespedes, Josh Hamilton, etc.?!?!?

Or, on the other hand, the stiffs that have passed through these portal like Matt LaPorta, Ramon Vazquez, Casey Kotchman, Trevor Crowe, Shelly Duncan, Travis Buck, Dave Dellucci, Johnny Damon, Jason Michaels, Ryan Garko, Todd Hollandsworth, and my very favorite Jeriome Robertson, etc :roll:

As far as crying is concerned, I think I choose to cry..............

over the demise of our farm system during the Shapiro regime since 2001 along with his partners in crime. When I see the decisions these "pros" made, I'm pretty happy with my "suggestions" especially when you know these guys actually get paid for what they do. Paid to fail. :(

The Drafts From 2001 to Present

In my opinion, the first five rounds of the June draft are critical to keeping a farm system vibrant and healthy.

I was going to post the top 20 selections from the drafts from 2001 to present but I thought "what the hell" why not post them all.

I highlighted the first ten round selections but its the first five rounds in each of these drafts that ticked me off. Those first 5 to 10 rounds netted us a near zero home grown talent crop.

2001 was a complete bust
Rnd Player
1 Dan Denham
1 Alan Horne
1 J.D. Martin
1 Mike Conroy
2 Jake Dittler
3 Nick Moran
4 Travis Foley
5 Marcos Mendoza
6 Jim Ed Warden
7 Josh Noviskey
8 Miguel Quintana
9 Luke Scott
10 Brian Harrison

11 Brad Guglielmelli
12 Scott Sturkie
13 Matt Knox
14 Doug Lantz
15 Martin Vergara
16 Sean Smith
17 Dave Jensen
18 T.J. Burton
19 Luis Alvarado
20 Michael Rogers
21 Richard Spaulding
22 Jimmy Schultz
23 Kenton Myers
24 Matt Blethen
25 Rickie Morton
26 Bryce Uegawachi
27 Josh Lex
28 Brandon Harmsen
29 Chris Hunter
30 Keith Lillash
31 Brian Kirby
32 Andrew Baxter
33 Chad Peshke
34 Aaron Marsden
35 Chris Cooper
36 Jose Cruz
37 Todd Culp
38 Neto Quiroz
39 Brian Farman
40 Aaron Russell
41 Ross Lewis
42 Kyle Allen
43 Vince Davis
44 Garrett Mock
45 Brett Ashmun
46 Todd Pennington
47 Billy Brian
48 Douglas Brooks
49 Jason Columbus
50 James Burok
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2002 the only player that mattered here got dumped; what a waste of top picks! another bust!
Rnd Player
1 Jeremy Guthrie
1 Matt Whitney
1 Micah Schilling
2 Brian Slocum
2 Pat Osborn
3 Jason Cooper
3 Dan Cevette
4 Fernando Pacheco
5 Ben Francisco
6 Michael Hernandez
7 Brian Wright
8 Blake Allen
9 Shaun Larkin
10 Keith Ramsey

11 Bill Peavey
12 Chad Longworth
13 Reid Santos
14 Mike Mitchell
15 Nathan Panther
16 Omar Casillas
17 Jeff Ostrander
18 Jahseam George
19 Curt Mendoza
20 Chris White
21 Zeke Parraz
22 Clayton McCullough
23 Aaron Tennyson
24 Dan Donaldson
25 Nick Pesco
26 Jose Cardona
26 Rodney Choy Foo
27 Derek Dunne
28 Tim Sabo
29 Buddy Flores
30 Dan Eisentrager
31 Jeff Davis
32 Shea Douglas
33 Jensen Lewis
34 Chris Williams
35 Kevin Hawkins
36 Aaron Braithwaite
37 Luis Dejesus
38 John Moran
39 Blake Taylor
40 Shea McFeely
41 Andrew Knight
42 Silas Ah Sui
42 Christopher Rosario
43 Matt Paz
44 Richard Wells
45 Truan Mehl
46 Aaron Davidson
47 James Mayer
48 Bryce Kartler
49 Daniel Lindner
50 Ricardo Concepcion
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2003 where are they now ?!?!
Rnd Player
1 Michael Aubrey
1 Brad Snyder
1 Adam Miller
2 Javier Herrera
3 Ryan Garko
4 Ben Harrison
5 Juan Valdes
6 Kevin Kouzmanoff
7 Matt Davis
8 Bo Ashabraner
9 Anthony Lunetta
10 Scott Roehl

11 Ryan Mulhern
12 Brandon Pinckney
13 Steven Reinhold
14 Chase Williams
15 Ryan Spilman
16 Aaron Laffey
17 Jeff Pry
18 Dusty Barnard
19 Joey Huskins
20Shane Mathews
21 Adam Brandenburg
22 Matt Elliott
23 Tim Montgomery
24 Ryan Goleski
25 Travis Debondt
26 Andrew Johnston
27 Mike Felix
28 Jason James
29 Brett Parker
30 James Smith
31 Mark Harris
32 Steven Jackson
33 Joe Reid
34 Roger Lincoln
35 Bart Babineaux
36 Jared Goedert
37 Zach Wallis
38 Neall French
39 Jim Rapoport
40 Adrian Schau
41 Robert Leonhardt
42 Adam Hanson
43 Joe Weaver
44 Kyle Muschara
45 Rafeal Cotto
46 James O'Neill
47 Chad Corona
48 Jordan Karnofsky
49 David Horlacher
50 Seth Button
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2004 what a joke !!!!
Rnd Player
1 Jeremy Sowers
2 Justin Hoyman
3 Scott Lewis
4 Chuck Lofgren
5 Mike Butia
6 Cody Bunkelman
7 Mark Jecmen
8 Justin Pekarek
9 Chris Niesel
10 Reinaldo Alicano

11 Brian Logan
12 Jordan Chambless
13 Jason Denham
14 Jeff Sues
15 Brian Finegan
16 Josh Williamson
17 Marshall Szabo
18 Danny Calvert
19 Chris Gimenez
20Derrick Peterson
21 Carlton Smith
22 Jeff Corsaletti
23 Michael Storey
24 Wyatt Toregas
25 David Newmann
26 Justin Holmes
27 Adrian Schau
28 Doodle Hicks
29 P.J. Hiser
30 Alfred Ard
31 Doug Pickens
32 Kyle Collins
33 Paul Lubrano
34 Ashton Shewey
35 Ryan Knippschild
36 Jeff Kamrath
37 Blake Gill
38 Jose Amaya
39 Preston Clark
40 Dustin Roddy
41 David Coulon
42 Josh Harris
43 Trevor Mortensen
44 Phil Shirek
45 Tony Sipp
46 Chris Sosa
47 Tyler Beranek
48 Brian Winings
49 Jose Chavez
50 Tim Battaglia
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2005 it just keeps getting better
Rnd Player
1 Trevor Crowe
1 John Drennen
2 Stephen Head
3 Nick Weglarz
3 Jensen Lewis
4 Jordan Brown
5 Kevin Dixon
6 Joe Ness
7 James Deters
8 Ryan Edell
9 Roman Pena
10 Jason Schutt

11 Nick Petrucci
12 Matt Fornasiere
13 Barry Laird
14 Mike Finocchi
15 Chase Phillips
16 Aaron Shafer
17 Eric Barrett
18 Desmond Jennings
19 Tim Dennehy
20 Scott Sumner
21 Neil Wagner
22 Clint Storr
23 Dexter English
24 Jake Hale
25 Andy Lytle
26 Thomas Cowley
27 Brandon Laird
28 Angel Claudio
29 John Curtis
30 Joel Martin
31 Matt Loberg
32 Brent Thomas
33 Trevor Mortensen
34 Arshwin Asjes
35 Levi Laughlin
36 Matt Yokley
37 Cody Satterwhite
38 Daniel Lima
39 Jessie Mier
40 Dewayne Carver
41 Ashton Shewey
42 Tim Lincecum
43 Chadd Hartman
44 Travis Turek
45 Drew Fiorenza
46 Blake Davis
47 Gus Milner
48 Joseph Hunter
49 Ryan Wood
50 Cameron Satterwhite
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2006 some improvement but a waste of all those top picks, a #1 & 4 #2's, a "C" draft
Rnd Player
1 David Huff
2 Steve Wright
2 Josh Rodriguez
2 Wes Hodges
2 Matt McBride
3 Adam Davis
4 Ryan Morris
5 Chris Archer
6 Austin Creps
7 Robert Alcombrack
8 Michael Eisenberg
9 Jared Goedert
10 Paolo Espino

11 Kelly Edmundson
12 Dan Frega
13 Brant Rustich
14 William Delage
15 Matt Meyer
16 Stephen Douglas
17 Kyle Harper
18 Daryl King
19 Josh Tomlin
20 Vinnie Pestano
21 John Gaub
22 Chuck Hargis
23 Derrick Loop
24 Chris Nash
25 Alexander Jordan
26 Ty Pryor
27 Chris Roberts
28 Dustin Realini
29 Thomas Benton
30 Brett Carlin
31 Easton Gust
32 David Uribes
33 Jarett Jackson
34 Michael Bolsinger
35 Alan Brech
36 Ryan Miller
37 Brett Kinning
38 Nathan Bunton
39 Jimmy Brettl
40 Josh Yates
41 Kyle Paul
42 Roderick Barcelo
43 Michael Pontius
44 Bradley Reid
45 Zach Barger
46 Dan Miltenberger
47 Eric McKinney
48 Travis Turek
49 Ryan Mottern
50 Vincent Catricala
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2007 just when you think we've turned the corner another complete bust
Rnd Player
1 Beau Mills
4 T.J. McFarland
5 Jonathan Holt
6 Bo Greenwell
7 Cole St. Clair
8 Mark Thompson
9 Adam White
10 Heath Taylor
11 Matt Hague
12 Gary Campfield

13 Matt Brown
14 Daniel Morales
15 Christopher Jones
16 Doug Hogan
17 Miles Morgan
18 Kyle Landis
19 Bobby Coyle
20 Jeff Hehr
21 Jared Clark
22 Sthil Sowers
23 Shaeffer Hall
24 Adam Zornes
25 Kyle Leiendecker
26 Michael Valadez
27 Daniel Edwards
28 Scott Savastano
29 Garrett Rieck
30 Bryce Brentz
31 Jason Hessler
32 Joey Mahalic
33 Tyler Kuhn
34 Josh Judy
35 Brian Juhl
36 P.J. Zocchi
37 Dean Kiekhefer
38 Jonathan Williams
39 Eric Jokisch
40 Dallas Cawiezell
41 Tommy Luce
42 Bryce Tafelski
43 Travis Howell
44 Ryan Royster
45 Dan Evatt
46 Brock Simpson
47 Kevin Rucker
48 Walter Diaz
49 Matt Willard
50 Doug Pickens
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2008 a few good men, finally a decent draft
Rnd Player
1 Lonnie Chisenhall
2 Trey Haley
3 Cord Phelps
4 David Roberts
5 Zach Putnam
6 Jeremie Tice
7 Tim Fedroff
8 Eric Berger
9 Clayton Cook
10 Donnie Webb

11 Matt Langwell
12 Guido Fonseca
13 Adam Abraham
14 Carlos Moncrief
15 Jason Rodriguez
16 T.J. House
17 Mitch Mormann
18 Kaimi Mead
19 Nate Recknagel
20 Marty Popham
21 Ryan Blair
22 Bryce Stowell
23 Otto Roberts
24 Kevin Fontanez
25 Steve Smith
26 Moises Montero
27 Michael Goodnight
28 Russell Young
29 Ryan McCarney
30 Jeffrey Walters
31 Trevor Cousineau
32 Nick Christiani
33 Roberto Perez
34 Collin Brennan
35 Eagon Smith
36 Adam Warren
37 Chad Bell
38 Brian Grening
39 Eddie Burns
40 Tim Palincsar
41 Adam Matthews
42 Logan Thompson
43 Mike McGuire
44 Shawn White
45 Dean Lagonosky
46 Matt Ramsey
47 Randon Henika
48 Troy White
49 Devin Jones
50 Hector Acosta-Carrillo
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2009 a handful of good picks here
Rnd Player
1 Alex White
2 Jason Kipnis
3 Joe Gardner
4 Kyle Bellows
5 Austin Adams
6 Ben Carlson
7 Jordan Henry
8 Cory Burns
9 Preston Guilmet
10 Brett Brach

11 Kirk Wetmore
12 Joseph Colon
13 Jeremy Johnson
14 Kyle Smith
15 Mike Rayl
16 Dale Dickerson
17 Casey Frawley
18 Dwight Childs
19 Nick Kirk
20 Kyle Smith
21 Jeff Rowland
22 Merrill Kelly
23 Daniel Jimenez
24 Michael Hamann
25 Blake Hauser
26 Antwonie Hubbard
27 Tyler Sturdevant
28 Nickolas Sarianides
29 Xorge Carrillo
30 Bryson Smith
31 Raynor Campbell
32 Matt Packer
33 Chris Kersten
34 Westley Moss
35 Christopher Beck
36 Austin Evans
37 Steven Ewing
38 Robert Sabo
39 Brian Hernandez
40 Greg Folgia
41 Max Muncy
42 Jonathan Kountis
43 D.J. Gentile
44 Jose Madrid
45 James Jones
46 Scott Sommerfeld
47 Christian Powell
48 Vidal Nuno
49 Burch Smith
50 Tyler Joyner
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2010 no consistency, another dud
Rnd Player
1 Drew Pomeranz
2 LeVon Washington
3 Tony Wolters
4 Kyle Blair
5 Cole Cook
6 Nicholas Bartolone
7 Robbie Aviles
8 Alexander Lavisky
9 Jordan Cooper
10 Tyler Holt

11 Hunter Jones
12 Tyler Cannon
13 Michael Goodnight
14 Diego Seastrunk
15 Benjamin Holmes
16 Cody Allen
17 Aaron Siliga
18 Chase Burnette
19 Mark Brown
20 Burch Smith
21 Owen Dew
22 Nate Striz
23 Tony Dischler
24 Andrew Triggs
25 Jay Gause
26 Edward Lively
27 Jeff Schaus
28 Demarcus Tidwell
29 Kirby Bellow
30 Taylor Hill
31 David Goforth
32 Michael Palazzone
33 Logan Thompson
34 Kyle Petter
35 Ken Ferrer
36 Rye Davis
37 Theophilus Griffin
38 Tyler Pearson
39 Bobby Wahl
40 Jordan Casas
41 Brian Heere
42 Aaron Fields
43 Christopher Waylock
44 Brock Stassi
45 Frank DeJiulio
46 Justin Haley
47 Lucas Malloy
48 C.T. Bradford
49 Marcus Bradley
50 Henry Dunn
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2011 a couple of good picks but overall another dud
Rnd Player
1 Francisco Lindor
2 Dillon Howard
3 Jake Sisco
4 Jake Lowery
5 Will Roberts
6 Bryson Myles
7 Eric Haase
8 Kody Ortman
9 Jordan Smith
10 Jeff Johnson

11 Luis DeJesus
12 Grant Sides
13 Zack MacPhee
14 Cody Anderson
15 Todd Hankins
16 Ryan Merritt
17 Kevin Brady
18 Shawn Armstrong
19 Shawn Morimando
20 Dillon Peters
21 Cody Elliott
22 Matthew Reckling
23 Cody Allen
24 Taylor Sparks
25 Kevin Kramer
26 Austin Diemer
27 Evan Frazar
28 Tyler Nurdin
29 Jared Ruxer
30 John Polonius
31 Michael Roth
32 Cole Pitts
33 Jack Wagoner
34 Tyler Maloof
35 Mason Radeke
36 Abelisario Guerrero
37 Taylor Starr
38 Yhoxian Medina
39 John Barr
40 Matt Eureste
41 Brian Ruiz
42 K.C. Serna
43 Geoffrey Davenport
44 Adam Griffin
45 Will Jamison
46 Rob Nixon
47 Corey Embree
48 Blaine O'Brien
49 Brian Hansen
50 Tyler Baker
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2012 too early to tell but it doesn't look good
Rnd Player
1 Tyler Naquin
2 Mitch Brown
3 Kieran Lovegrove
4 D'vone McClure
5 Dylan Baker
6 Joseph Wendle
7 Josh McAdams
8 Caleb Hamrick
9 Jacob Lee
10 Josh Martin

11 Logan Vick
12 Jeremy Lucas
13 Tyler Booth
14 Scott Peoples
15 Nelson Rodriguez
16 Cody Penny
17 Andrew Calica
18 Louis Head
19 Colyn O'Connell
20 Nicholas Pasquale
21 Joe Sever
22 James Stokes
23 Richard Stock
24 Thomas White
25 Cameron Cox
26 Justin Garza
27 Ray Castillo
28 Joshua Pigg
29 Randall Fant
30 Josh Lester
31 Daniel Holst
32 Paul Hendrix
33 Cory Raley
34 Matthew Fultz
35 Nick Hamilton
36 Benny Suarez
37 Jacob Morris
38 Joshua Nervis
39 D J Brown
40 Anthony Hawkins

By the way Rusty, I've been making "suggestions" but evidently the front office has chosen to go a different direction.

It's been an exercise in futility for me over the years.

If Billy Beane can do it (2012), a bunch of Ivy Leaguers should be able to do it. Rather, we've suffered three 90+ loss seasons out of the last 4.

Beane took Cespedes from under Shapiro's nose. The Dodgers did the same with Yasiel Puig and the Cubs did the same with Alay Soler.

Now they've decided to increase payroll for over-the-hill players when they could have had much better and younger talent for the same dollars.

I don't think these people have a plan. They are throwing darts at free agents just like they have been doing on the draft boards. No plans! No directions!

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:45 pm
by joez
Just For Kicks, Or Hell, Just For the Hell of it

2001,

We drafted Dan Denham, Alan Horne, and JD Martin ahead of David Wright

2001,

We drafted Dan Denham, Alan Horne, JD Martin, Mike Conroy, Jake Dittler, Travis Foley, Mick Moran, and Mike Conroy ahead of Ryan Howard.

2001,

The darts missed Dan Haren, Dallas McPherson, and Kevin Youkilis.

2002,

Between Jeremy Guthrie and Matt Whitney, available were Joe Blanton, Matt Cain, and Sergio Santos.

2002,

Selected Matt Whitney and Micah Schilling ahead of Joey Votto, Jon Lester, and Curtis Granderson.

2003,

Drafted Michael Aubrey, Brad Snyder, and Adam Miller in front of Matt Kemp, Jonathan Papelbon, Michel Bourn, Andre Ethier, Ryan Sweeny, and Adam Jones.

2004,

Unlucky at darts, hit Jeremy Sowers missed Homer Bailey, Jered Weaver, Stephen Drew, and Huston Street.

2004,

This was a killer deal.....Selected Justin Hoyman who retired before making it to his second pro year with Hunter Pence and Dustin Pedroia still on the board. Sucks man!

2005,

Our #1 pick this year was Trevor Crowe with Jacoby Ellsbury and Matt Garza still available.

Chose John Drennen when Clay Buchholtz, Jed Lowry, Chase Headley, Kevin Slowey, and Yunel Escobar were ripe for the picken'.

2006,

Other than the first 38 picks before David Huff, this was not a very strong draft from the 40th pick to the end of the draft.

2007,

The only significant game changer in this draft was selecting Beau Mills just one pick in front of Jason Heyward.

2008,

Lonnie Chisenhall was #1 at #29 and Trey Haley at #76. Other than picks #1 to #29, not a great class in 2008.

2009,

We selected Alex White with the 17th pick. Mike Trout and Billy Hamilton were still sitting in the bullpen. Jason Kipnis went in the #68 slot. #1 pick this year was Steven Strasburg, #8 was Mike Leake, and #10 was Drew Storen otherwise another lackluster draft.

2010,

Doesn’t look like a very significant draft on paper. In my opinion, the only game changer this year was when we selected Drew Pomeranz at #5 over Chris Sale at #13. Bryce Harper went #1. Harper was the big name in this draft.

2011,

Francisco Lindor got the call at #8. Not enough information on all the picks in this draft to make a call.

2012,

Likewise. Tyler Naquin at #15 was our first pick.

Top 10 Excuses For "Crying" :P

1. The Stars Were mis-aligned

2.The Gods Were Not Smiling Upon Us

3. Dart Boards Suck

4. I Don't Care Too Much For Ivy Leaguers

5. Misers Are Not Nice People

6. Czars Don't Make Good Managers

7. Hire Billy Beane As a Draft Consultant

8. Hire Billy Beane as a Free Agent Consultant

9. Consult with Billy Beane Before Making Any Trades

10. Sell! Fire'em All!

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:13 pm
by joez
Haren and Victorino are both gone. Oh my ? Cabrera and Choo should bring back at least 2 corner outfielders, #1 starter, and a first baseman. Really ? You don't trust the guys that traded for Choo and Cabrera to trade them again ? Really ? Time to check yourself into the home before you drown in your own drool !
Are you kidding me ?? Is that some kind of a trick question !?!? :P

Just to set the record straight, It's Cabrera, Choo, and (MASTERSON) should bring back at least 2 corner outfielders, #1 starter, and a first baseman.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:49 pm
by Darkstar
joez wrote:
Just to set the record straight, It's Cabrera, Choo, and (MASTERSON) should bring back at least 2 corner outfielders, #1 starter, and a first baseman.
So - what you're saying is, if Masty is a #1, and Choo is a corner, then Cabrera = 1 corner and a 1b.

Tricky math. Nice trade if you can get it.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:51 am
by VT'er
Are there discussion boards for other teams on which is documented similar futility? As bad as this draft record looks or is, would we find something similar for, say, Pittsburgh or San Diego or somewhere? And how much of the problem is sucky development?

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:44 pm
by seagull
I too am disappointed in the Indians draft and development, however every organization has a list of drafted players that didn't pan out. There are only 750 players in the Major Leagues. A coach told me once that less than 5 % of players in any organization will even sniff the Majors. Tough odds.

The good organizations seem to do a better job of identifying the ones that are not going to make it, quickly, and move on. The Indians seem to stick with players too long hoping things will change.

When I used to go to ST in Florida, they had handouts that listed every player in camp. I saved a few of those and compared the current list with the previous year's list. Big turnover....I would say one third of the preious year's players were gone.

Tough finding players that can play this game at the Major League level.

Bottom line is I'm all for bringing back the monkey that threw darts.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:53 pm
by joez
Are there discussion boards for other teams on which is documented similar futility? As bad as this draft record looks or is, would we find something similar for, say, Pittsburgh or San Diego or somewhere? And how much of the problem is sucky development?
The drafting stuff was just an exercise in frustration more than futility.

It just seems uncanny that in each and every year we missed out on some players that would have kept the strings of the mid-90's in tact. In fact, could have kept us as an elite team in the '2000's.

My frustrations run deep in the fact that we wasted all of those #1 through #5 picks in 2001. Four number 1 picks, plus Dittler, Moran, Foley, and Mendoza.

If that were not frustrating enough, we turn around and repeat 2001 all over again. Three #1 picks, Two #2 picks, Two #3 picks, plus Pacheco and Ben Francisco. Only one player with any kind of major league success !?!?!? I'm still bummed we dumped Guthrie for nada. The only successful choice they made in two years and they get rid of him !!! With all the great players out there, it just seems uncanny that we missed on ALL of them.

These were 17 picks from rounds 1 through 5 and we had only ONE successful pick. 10 of those picks in the first two rounds ?!?!?!?

Obviously a bunch of amatuers running these drafts.

In 2003 we had 3 more number 1 picks plus Javier Herrera, Ryan Garko, Ben Harrison, and Juan Valdez !?!?!? None of them panned out.

Ten (10) number 1 picks in three years to go along with five (5) number 2's !!!!!! Two (2) more number 1's in 2005.

VT'er

To answer your question honestly, I don't think there is any team in the history of baseball that can answer to all the futility Shapiro and his Tag Team was responsible for. How could any team "miss" on FIFTEEN (15) #1 and #2 picks in 3 years. First of all, this has to be an unprecedented scenario. This has never happened that I'm aware of.

In 2005, we drafted Tim Lincecum at #42. They couldn't have added some chump change to his asking price. On top of that, Shapiro publicly stated that Lincecum's fundamentals were too "violent". He also stated that he didn't know whether Lincecum would relieve, start, or even be a big league pitcher. So they let him get away. Guess what Mr. Shapiro ??? You could have had another Cy Young winner on your team. Instead:

1 Trevor Crowe
1 John Drennen
2 Stephen Head
3 Nick Weglarz
3 Jensen Lewis
4 Jordan Brown
5 Kevin Dixon
6 Joe Ness
7 James Deters
8 Ryan Edell
9 Roman Pena
10 Jason Schutt

Wonderful!

Well! I'm really done crying any more with the release of this post.

Gotta wonder how Billy Beane would have handled this situation.

I guess Rusty brings out the worst in me :lol:

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:14 pm
by rusty2
Joe, no one takes you serious.....

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:36 pm
by J.R.
Indians sign Mark Reynolds to a one year deal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1439 ... k-reynolds

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:37 pm
by kenm
I hear he is a big wiffer.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:52 pm
by rusty2
You can only sign players that are willing to play in Cleveland. At least adds a guy that can hit 20+ homers from the right side.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:56 am
by Tribe Fan in SC/Cali
Anyone paying attention to Cleveland Baseball of the day and expecting a Pennant or World Series Championship is just wasting their time until Shapiro and/or Antonetti are gone.

Dolan appears content with the status quo.....which is losing.

Nothing is going to change for Cleveland Indians Fans until the front office has MAJOR shake ups.

Plan accordingly away from Cleveland Indians Baseball to have some fun until hopefully all those losers currently in charge.....are gone.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:02 am
by Uncle Dennis
J.R. wrote:Indians sign Mark Reynolds to a one year deal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1439 ... k-reynolds
Is he kind of like Russell Branyan lite?

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:47 pm
by husker
rusty2 wrote:Joe, no one takes you serious.....
I enjoy Joe's posts.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:00 pm
by rusty2
Yeah, people watch "Americas Funniest Videos" to see people fall down too !