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Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:28 pm
by civ ollilavad
No one will ever call you an optimist Joe if they would compare you to this amazingly stupid post I find about JRam:
Saw he is tearing up winter ball while already having a great 2012 season, would not be too stunned if he makes the big league club out of ST, he is a very very advanced hitter

In the winter league he is batting .312 vs major league pitchers [sic] with 5 doubles 1 triple and scored 22 Runs 0 HR 22 RBI in 38 games with a .389 OBP with 18 walks to 23 strike outs he was 10/15 on SB attempts vs Major league [sic] catchers

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:19 pm
by joez
I hope I didn't write that.

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:25 pm
by joez
These guys throw in the mid 90's Civ. There are others who can hit the high 90's and a few who have gone over the 100mph mark. I agree, he most likely will not hit for power but there are not very many hitters in our system that will. I don't see many that will be capable of averaging 10-15 homers a year.

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:43 pm
by joez
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Jose Ramirez of the Bulls slides into third base in a game against the Stars (file). (Outside Source)

Winter Ball

Daily Round Robin 4: Who is Jose Ramirez?

31/12/2012 04:57 PM - Neftali Ruiz

After seeing the three hits of Jose Ramirez on Sunday. I went down to the ground with three simple questions in mind.

Who are you?

How did you get here?

Where are you from?

The 165-pound Ramirez, locked in at five feet nine inches, suggest that he is a common player.

But this banilejo who turned 20 last September owns special talent.

He played and developed in the program operated be Enrique Soto, who signed Ramirez to professionalism in 2009.

It all starts with strong wrists and contact that has allowed Ramirez to bat over .300 in every league he has played in two pro seasons.

He is also an excellent defender at shortstop and a fast runner.

Ramirez belongs to the Cleveland Indians and has only played at Class A U.S. average.

The Toros picked him in the second round of the last draft of the Dominican Winter League.

He batted .312 with 22 runs scored and 22 RBIs in 38 regular-season games.

This summer was average was .354 in 67 games at Class A average.

In 2011, his .325 average was the best in the farm system of the Cleveland Indians.

I have my answers: Jose Ramirez is a young player with a big heart who left Bani to transcend and came to the Bulls by the relationship of luck and talent we all need regardless of our profession or trade.

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:51 pm
by joez
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Manny Ramirez of the Cibao Eagles dispatched watches as a home run against the Bulls. (Outside Source)

Winter Ball

Journal of the Round Robin 2: sweet power

29/12/2012 03:54 PM - Neftali Ruiz

"Manny unleashes the ball." Orlando Mendez was referring to the legendary tablazo hitter against the pitching of Caminero Archimedes in the triumph of the Cibao Eagles 3-0 win over the Toros del Este. Oscar Taveras also homered and both teams left with a 1-1 record in the first two games of the round robin.

With respect to Francisco Micheli Stadium, pitching is the real home where pitching is valued more than the homers connected there.

But the clean contact by Manny Ramirez moved us to the days of the bomber who struck in Cleveland, Boston, and those two unforgettable months of his arrival in Los Angeles.

It was good to see Manny play, it's never too late if that is good.

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:02 pm
by joez
Venezuela Final Standings

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Team        W  L  PCT  GB
Magallanes 36 27 .571  -
Zulia      35 28 .556 1.0
Caribes    35 28 .556 1.0
Caracas    35 28 .556 1.0
Lara       34 29 .540 2.0
La Guaira  29 33 .468 6.5
Margarita  23 38 .377 12.0
Aragua     23 39 .371 12.5
First five teams qualify for the Round Robin

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:06 pm
by joez
Dominican League Final Standings

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Team       W  L  PCT  GB
Aguilas   32 18 .640  -
Estrellas 30 20 .600 2.0
Toros     23 27 .460 9.0
Escogido  23 28 .451 9.5
Gigantes  22 29 .431 10.5
Licey     21 29 .420 11.0
Top four teams qualify for Round Robin

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:10 pm
by joez
Dominican Round Robin Standings

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Team      W  L  Pct.  GB
Aguilas   3  1 .750   -
Toros     3  1 .750   -
Escogido  2  2 .500  1.0
Estrellas 0  4 .000  3.0

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:17 pm
by joez
Puerto Rico Final Standings

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Team      W  L  PCT GB
Caguas   24 16 .600  -
Mayaguez 23 17 .575 1.0
Santurce 20 18 .526 3.0
Carolina 19 21 .475 5.0
Ponce    17 23 .425 7.0
Manati   15 23 .395 8.0

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:24 pm
by joez
Mexico First Half Standings

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EQUIPO      JG  JP  PCT  JV  PTS
Tomateros   22  13 .629 - 8
Algodoneros 21  14 .600 1.0    7
Yaquis      21  14 .600 1.0    6
Aguilas     18  17 .514 4.0    5
Naranjeros  17  18 .486 5.0  4.5
Cañeros     16  19 .457 6.0    4
Mayos       14  21 .400 8.0  3.5
Venados     11  24 .314 11.0   3

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:29 pm
by joez
Mexico Second Half Standings

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EQUIPO      JG JP  PCT JV   PTS
Tomateros   21 10 .677  -    8
Aguilas     18 14 .593 3.5   7
Venados     16 16 .500 5.5   6
Yaquis      16 16 .500 5.5   5
Algodoneros 16 16 .500 5.5  4.5
Mayos       16 17 .484   6   4
Naranjeros  16 17 .484   6  3.5
Cañeros      9 22 .290  12   3


Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:51 pm
by joez
Playoff Formats

The Winter Leagues

January 12th, 2012 by Lou

You know it is amazing to me that right now that a lot of baseball is being played. It’s cold in the northeast and most Americans are focused on the NFL playoffs. But in warmer climates the game with the ball, bat, and glove is being played.

The Caribbean leagues are in their playoff seasons as they determine the four entrants to the Caribbean World Series (CWS) to be played in early February.

Some of the playoff formats in the Caribbean are a bit strange to say the least.

The Mexican League

is by far the most bizarre. Eight teams play a split season from early October to the end of December, a total of 68 games. The first half is made up of 35 games while the second half is 33. Instead of the winners of both halves and a couple of wild cards playing each other, a rather contrived point system is used to determine the six of eight teams to make the post season. Yes, six of eight. So 68 games are played for the purpose of eliminating two teams. And you thought the NHL was bad.

Each team earns points depending on where they finish in the standings for each half. For example, the team that finishes first gets 8 points. The team that finishes last gets 3 points. Well, at least they get something for losing. The points are combined from both halves to rank all eight teams. The top six move on to play in three best of seven series in the first round. Now here is where it gets even more weird…

How do you move on with three winners from three series? One gets a bye perhaps? Not exactly.

The best loser gets to move on too. How wacky is that? A team loses a series and still gets to move to the second round. Nothing like helping a below .500 team get to the semi-final round. This season, ALGODONEROS de GUASAVE, finshed in 3rd place overall with a total of 11 points. They finished dead last in the first half (3 points) but rebounded to win the second half title (8 points). Then they lost in six games to YAQUIS de OBREGÓN. But since the other two losing teams in the other two first round series both lost four games to one, OBREGÓN got to move on.

The rest of the Mexican League playoffs is fairly straight forward. The winners of the second round of two seven game series moves on to a championship round, also best of seven. The winner get to play in the Caribbean World Series.

Not as crazy as the Mexican League but still fairly amusing is the Dominican and the Venezuelan winter leagues. These countries play a 50 and 63 game season respectively. And like the Mexican League, only a minority of teams go home after the regular season is over.

In the Dominican,

after a 50 game season, the four top teams in the league of six move on to a round robin first round playoff. The four teams play each other 6 times for a total of 18 games each. The top two clubs in the round robin play in the championship best of 9 series with the winner representing the DR in the CWS.

Venezuela

is very similar to the Dominican Republic in that they eliminate three of eight teams in the regular season. The remaining five also compete in a round robin format. Each team plays the other four times for a total of 16 games each. The top two clubs then play in the championship round, a best of seven series.

The Puerto Rican Winter League has had their troubles the past few seasons. Two years ago they completely shut down operation but came back last season with a much shortened season. This season also posed problems as Santurce dropped out the last second for financial reasons. That left the PR League with four teams that played a 42 game season. And just to maintain the silly playoff inclusion the other Caribbean teams engage in, only the fourth place team is eliminated after the 42 game season is complete.

The second and third place teams play in a best of five series while the first place team gets a bye. The winner of the first round plays the first place team in a best of nine series with the winner advancing to the CWS.

Winter baseball is not just unique to the Caribbean countries. There are leagues in South America but not as popular.

A newcomer to winter baseball is the Australian League

now in it’s second season. The ABL runs a 45 game regular season with six teams scattered about the country. This league has the potential of growing in the future. It is already very popular with the locals as the teams play in parks equivalent to AA ballparks in America.

This past December, the ABL held the first annual Australian All Star game which was telecast on MLB Network. The game featured an entirely Australian team vs. the non-Australian players currently playing in the league. The non Aussie players include those from the US, Japan, and Taiwan.

The ABL playoffs also awards the not so good teams. Four of the six teams get into the playoffs. The number one and number two seed play each other in a major semi final. The winner of this best of five gets a bye in the next round. The number 3 and number 4 seed play each other in a minor semi final. The loser of the minor semi final is eliminated from the post season. The loser of the major semi final plays the winner of the minor semi final in a preliminary final (you getting this camera guy?). The winner of the preliminary final plays the winner of the major semi final for the ABL championship. Wow!

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:58 pm
by joez
The Australian winter league season ends at the end of January, playoffs start in February in tune with the Caribbean Series.

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:11 pm
by joez
Cuban winter league standings

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TEAMS                JJ JG JP  AVE  DIF
Sancti Spíritus      24 17  7 .708   -
Cienfuegos           24 16  8 .667  1.0
Isla de la Juventud  24 16  8 .667  1.0
Matanzas             24 15  9 .625  2.0
Industriales         25 15 10 .600  2.5
Villa Clara          24 14 10 .583  3.0
Ciego de Avila       25 13 12 .520  4.5
Guantánamo           24 12 12 .500  5.0
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Mayabeque            24 12 12 .500  5.0
Pinar del Río        24 12 12 .500  5.0
Camagüey             24 10 14 .417  7.0
Holguín              24 10 14 .417  7.0
Las Tunas            24  9 15 .375  8.0
Granma               24  9 15 .375  8.0
Santiago de Cuba     24  7 17 .292 10.0
Artemisa             24  6 18 .250 11.0

Re: Winter/Fall/Latin/Asian/World Ball

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:27 pm
by joez
New “Classic” Preparations Undercut “Classic” Cuban League Season

by Peter C. Bjarkman

December 09, 2012

A new Cuban League season opened play last week and it did so with a strange new look – sixteen teams (down one from last season) and a single-league structure (a change from the recent Occidental League and Oriental League format).

Part of the motivation for such drastic revamping is perhaps an issue of naked economics. In a country with a sagging economy, transportation of 17 ball clubs to all corners of the island over a five month period was an increasing burden on an already stretched INDER budget.

Some of the motivation likely had to do with a popular long-standing complaint about current league structure. Many on the island have long doubted that there was still enough top level talent on the island to fill more than 425 top-level roster slots.

Certainly another heavy prompt for the face-lifting was the upcoming World Baseball Classic III on tap for early March, with its inevitable month-long halt to normal domestic league action.

But in the end, whatever the reasons for a redefinition of the Cuban League might have been, one thing is already crystal clear. Fans looking in on the new season from outside the island will be surprised if not altogether shocked to discover a very unfamiliar and even unsettling Cuban League pennant-race structure.

“Classic” Season Scrubbed

The new Cuban League format has done away with a staple of league organization that has reigned for more than a quarter of a century. Gone now is the familiar two league (two division) structure in place for most of the current decade and also the four-group framework that preceded it.

In its place is a sixteen-team one-league format that has not been witnessed in twenty-plus seasons. One has to reach back through half of Cuban League history to the 1986-87 campaign (National Series #26) to find the last National Series pennant race featuring all clubs (18 at the time) lumped into a single-league structure.

That year featured a 12-game round-robin playoff format that was won by the Vegueros ball club representing Pinar del Río and (ironically) managed by current league technical commissioner Jorge Fuentes. Teams played a regular-season schedule that year featuring 48 games per club.
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A new-structure Cuban League season will be notable for the absence of Enriquito Diaz and the colorful Metros ball club.

The long-popular multiple league (or multiple division) National Series framework was first introduced in the winter of 1987 (NS #27) with a regional-split into groups then known as the Zona Occidental (nine teams) and Zona Oriental (also nine teams).

The four-team and 12-game post-season format was maintained and Vegueros once again walked off with the eventual league title. This structure was continued for the next five winters – through National Series #31 (1991-92).

For National Series #32 a radical restructuring brought a new look featuring four divisions with the unimaginative labels of Group A, Group B, Group C, and Group D (four clubs in each group).

The new structure accompanied the dropping of a pair of league ball clubs (Forestales and Citricultores) and the relabelling of two more (Henequeneros became Matanzas and Vegueros was renamed for its home province of Pinar del Río).

The season was expanded to 65 games and the novel new format also featured (for the first time) post-season play built around MLB-style quarterfinals, semifinals and finals that eventually matched the top clubs of the eastern and western sectors. With the changes implemented for the 1992-93 campaign the modern-era league structure of the past two full decades originally came into being.

The next drastic overhauls came with the expansion of the league schedule to 90 contests in 1997-98 and then a return to the pair of eight-team regional leagues (Zona Occidental and Zona Oriental) for the celebratory Golden Anniversary 2010-11 season (NS #50).

Last season (2011-12) saw the slight modification to an imbalanced 17-team league brought about by the splitting of Habana Province into two new clubs (Mayabeque and Artemisa) in order to accommodate the island’s newly revamped governmental structure.

One wrinkle that highlighted National Series #51 was the necessity for one club of the odd-numbered circuit to remain idle for each three-game series. But throughout all these shifts over the last quarter-century Cuba has always featured full-scaled “interleague play” with every club meeting each of its rivals an equal number of times (one three-game set at home and one on the road in recent seasons). With 17 rather than 16 teams participating last winter, the schedule was upped to 96 contests for each ball club.

With this season’s single-division format we now return to the look of Cuban baseball in the 1970s and early 1980s, but with one major and highly significant wrinkle. The season has been split into a pre-WBC two-month qualifying round of 45 games per team and a post-WBC eight-team title round of yet-unnamed length.

When competition is suspended for the All-Star Game in early February, exactly half the league will be eliminated and only the top eight clubs will continue on in the post-WBC championship round of late-March and April.

One great mystery surrounding the current campaign is the precise length of the season’s second half; and fans will also remain in limbo until at least early February because no schedule of games is possible until the eight first-round qualifiers are determined.

But if there is one major flaw in the new 45-game first-half schedule now in place it has to be the abandonment of anything that looks like a balanced schedule. Each club still plays the other fifteen, but only for one three-game set; this leaves some teams with three extra games at home and others with the extra three matches on the road.

Also (at least according to the officially published schedule), with their special Opening Day inaugural match, last year’s finalists Industriales and Ciego de Avila are left with an extra game on their docket. Fans in Santiago de Cuba have to be more than a bit disappointed that they won’t be receiving a home-series visit this year from arch-rival Industriales.

Advantages of the new experimental system are several, and yet the drawbacks seem to be even more obvious.

On the positive side of the ledger, one motivation may well be purely economic as already mentioned. Cutting the number of games each team will play over the first two months means far less travel. To cite several illustrative examples, Havana-based Industriales will make only two swings to the eastern part of the island during the short season’s first segment. The Lions will not visit either of their main rivals, Villa Clara and Santiago. With the exception of the single ceremonial opening game, Industriales will also not visit last year’s title-round rival Ciego de Avila either.Victor Mesa’s popular and suddenly potent Matanzas outfit will make no December or January visit to the capital city of Havana.

A second half scenario with only eight competitors limits travel expenses even further. One small miracle of recent seasons is the amount of resources Cuba has been able to spend on baseball given the nation’s sagging economic fortunes. But those resources (or lack of resources) may now finally have tipped the circuit in a radical new direction.

There have also been numerous cries during recent campaigns for a more compact league featuring annual powerhouses like Industriales, Villa Clara and Pinar del Río and devoid of such also-rans as Holguín, Isla de la Juventud, and the usually woeful Metropolitanos Warriors.

One theory is that such a structure would lead to better domestic competition, but one has to wonder about the soundness of that theory given the revival last season of long-time doormat Matanzas, plus the recent surges of usual also-rans like Guantánamo, Las Tunas, Granma, and last year’s champion Ciego de Avila Tigers.

A second complaint has been that the recent thinning of talent has worked to damage the preparation of top national team players – especially the top national team offensive stars.

The players themselves have often voiced the latter complaint. Freddie Cepeda has remarked to this writer on several recent occasions that the overnight adjustment to deliveries from top professional pitchers now being encountered in international tournaments is a severe handicap after a season of facing numerous Cuban League starters and relievers who are lucky to top 85 mph with their best fastballs.


But there are of course notable drawbacks accompanying any scheme for a reduced six-team or eight-team league.

One negative would obviously be the elimination of local baseball for a large portion of the island’s devoted fanatics. To take away the hometown team from Holguín, Ciego de Avila, or Mayabeque would be to cut community spirit and remove what now remains the lone community-based entertainment centerpiece of these smaller regional outposts.

The half-century tradition of local provincial ball clubs runs deep and is one of the main strengths of Cuban baseball. That fact has been demonstrated with the abject failures of several recent abortive attempts at staging a short-season summer-time Super League (2001-2005) via the collapsing of traditional province-based ball clubs into a handful of regional squads.

When teams called Centrales, Orientales, and Habana took to the field a few years back, the stadiums remained largely empty and the nightly island-wide television audiences quickly opted for telenovelas as a far more engaging form of evening entertainment.
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Early league action suggests that Victor Mesa’s Matanzas Crocodiles are now the team to beat in Cuba.

This year’s experimental structure thus appears, on the surface at least, to be an obvious effort at having it both ways – a full slate of provincial teams at the outset dovetailed with a more competitive eight-club second-half title round.

The upcoming MLB Classic has seemingly provided a perfect excuse for such a novel split season. But what will actually happen when only eight teams return after the break, especially if the Cuban squad fares poorly in Japan and new cries arise about the continued slide of Cuba’s national pastime?

The league brass now has to be keeping its collective fingers crossed that some of the more popular clubs (those representing the largest provincial populations) don’t face elimination before the phase two competition opens. One can only imagine the severe drop-off in fan interest if Industriales, Villa Clara, Pinar del Río and Santiago de Cuba (the traditional winners with the largest fan followings) are no longer on stage in April.

And it is hard to see how national team fortunes will be greatly improved if some of the top stars are left sitting idle once play resumes in April and May.

What will be the impact on the development of several projected national team starters if aces like Artemisa’s Yadier Pedroso and Miguel Lahera are forced to take to the sidelines for a full half-season?

Can we image a league championship round that doesn’t feature the slugging of both Granma Stallion Alfredo Despaigne and Cienfuegos strongman José Dariel Abreu?

Of course the biggest stars will still be around since new league provisions will now allow the eight qualifiers to draft five supplementary players from eliminated ball clubs.

But this only adds further room for controversy and confusion. As the second half of the campaign approaches the biggest issue in the minds of Industriales or Villa Clara fans might well be a question of who will have the opportunity to draft Despaigne or Yadier Pedroso or Alexander Mayeta for the season’s closing round. The problem here is that the biggest boasting point for Cuba’s purer style baseball in the past has always been that star ballplayers never switching loyalties or change their home team uniform.
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There are a few other odd appearances to the current revamped league that debuted last week.

Numerous key players are already missing, although they remain on the island; voluntary retirements (Rolando Meriño, Santiago and Luis Borroto, Villa Clara), injuries (Héctor Olivera, Santiago and Jorge Luis Barcelán, Metros/Industriales), disciplinary suspensions (Miguel Alfredo González, Artemisa and Yenier Bello, Sancti Spíritus), and other less obvious reasons (Jorge Alberto Martínez, Matanzas and Alex Guerrero, Las Tunas) have already left some top performers languishing on the sidelines.

And also now missing is one of the island’s most traditional clubs – the Havana Metros. True enough that the Metros have not been competitive in recent years – have rarely been competitive throughout their quarter-century history. And Metros did play in one of the league’s least aesthetic and most dilapidated venues at seedy Changa Mederos Stadium. Many have complained over the years (and with good reason) that the league commissioners in the capital city simply used the Metros roster as an unofficial farm club for the more popular hometown Industriales team.

But Metros teams were always colorful and occasionally pesky, and they were a traditional league staple by any measure. The Metros loyal fan base had also increased considerably of late – especially last season during the dramatic run-up to Enriquito Diaz’s much celebrated new career base hits record.

An additional loss resulting from the demise of the Metros club is the notable absence of 26-season veteran Enriquito Diaz – a capital city fan favorite who played squarely in the limelight last season while he tracked down the lifetime hitting mark once belonging to bygone-era hero Antonio Pacheco.

It is perhaps only a cruel irony that the last season to display a single-league format (1986-87) was also the very year in which Enriquito made his rookie-year debut with now-moribund Havana Metros.