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In my opinion, Darvish, at the same age, is the better pitcher of the two. I doubt the posting will be in the 100 million dollar range.

You got to have money that you don't mind wasting to acquire Darvish.

Matsuzaka's average salary was 8 mil / season which was probably about right according to major league standards and production rates. He had his days in the sun here. The arm took a lot of abuse in Japan. These guys throw a lot of innings. Throwbacks to number of innings pitched here in days gone by. When his arm was right, Matsuzaka was pretty good.

Just a few numbers to throw out there (all AL numbers):

ERA, 2008, #3
Wins, 2008, #5
H9, 2007 #9, 2008 #1
ER, 2007 #7
HR9 2008 #4
HR 2007 #10
SO9 2007 #6, 2008 #5
BB 2007 #6, 2008 #1, 2010 #9
WPCT 2008 #2
SO 2007 #6

I think the New York's, Boston's, have that kind of money. If I'm either, I would take the chance.

You are not good at math. Try closer to 17 million a season. As always do not let the actual facts get in the way of your opinion.


The highest posting fee ever paid was the $51 million bid by the Boston Red Sox for the right to negotiate with Daisuke Matsuzaka, who eventually signed a six-year, $52 million contract, pushing Boston's investment in the pitcher to $103 million.

$103 million divided by 6 = ?

:: Salaries
Year Salary Rank
2007 $6,333,333 --
2008 $8,333,333 --
2009 $8,333,333 --
2010 $8,333,333 --
2011 $10,333,333 77

I posted Salaries not Investment-

What a crock of crap as usual. It cost the Red Sox 103 million to sign Dice K. As usual you are more concerned about Joe Z being correct then posting the actual facts.

What a crock of crap as usual. It cost the Red Sox 103 million to sign Dice K. As usual you are more concerned about Joe Z being correct then posting the actual facts.

Rusty!

I would agree with you if the 51 million posted dollars went to Matsuzaka. It did not! That 51 million dollars went to the Seibu Lions for allowing Matsuzaka to apply for free agency. That's called the cost of doing business.

Actually, the actual facts =

:: Seibu Lions get 51 million

:: Daisuke Matsuzaka gets -

Year Salary Rank

2007 $6,333,333 --
2008 $8,333,333 --
2009 $8,333,333 --
2010 $8,333,333 --
2011 $10,333,333 77

More Facts !!!

The response to this was the posting system.

1. Any player with less than 9 years of NPB experience may request that his team post him. The team has the right to refuse. (Players with 9+ years or Japanese amateurs who have never played in NPB are exempt and may go over as true free agents.)

2. If the NPB team accepts, in the next off-season (specifically, Nov 1 - March 1) the MLB will conduct a 4-day blind auction. Each team may submit a single bid for the rights to negotiate with the player. This is NOT the player's salary negotiation... just the right to talk and release of the player from his current team if a deal is agreed upon.

3. When the auction is complete, the amount of the highest bid is then given to the NPB team to accept or reject. The identity of the winning team is not disclosed (presumably to prevent side deals).

4. If the NPB team accepts the bid, the MLB team has 30 days to negotiate a contract with the player.

5. If the player accepts, the MLB pays the transfer fee and the player is theirs. If not, no transfer fee is paid, and the player's rights revert to his NPB team.

6. A player can re-submit in subsequent years if it doesn't work out.

[Not my personal agenda Rusty. These are the facts.]

Just Lesson 101 in the Japanese posting process

Bottom line is that the Red Sox spent 103 million to acquire Dice K. Dice K did not cost the Red Sox 8 million a season.

Even you are not that stupid. It was part of the negotiation.

As to the posting system. Why would you think you know any more about it then anyone else ?

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Baseball: Hiroshima's Maeda loses no-hitter in 9th of CL finale

TOKYO -

Kyodo

Hiroshima Carp pitcher Kenta Maeda lost a no-hitter with one out in the ninth inning, then allowed the Tokyo Yakult Swallows a 2-1 walkoff win as the Central League's regular season ended Tuesday.

Maeda, last season's Sawamura Award winner, gave up a double to pinch hitter Atsushi Fujimoto that broke up his no-hit bid in the bottom of the ninth at Jingu Stadium.

Maeda (10-12) then allowed an infield single to Tsuyoshi Ueda before walking Hiroyasu Tanaka to load the bases.

Fujimoto scored the tying run on Kazuhiro Hatakeyama's grounder to second, and pinch hitter Kazuki Fukuji won it for the Swallows with a single to left.

The Climax Series for both the CL and the Pacific League starts on Saturday.

Baseball: Dragons' Yoshimi tops CL in wins, ERA

TOKYO -

The Chunichi Dragons' Kazuki Yoshimi won two titles of
the pitching Triple Crown as the Central League regular season ended
Tuesday.

Yoshimi tied the Yomiuri Giants' Tetsuya Utsumi for most
victories with 18 and led the league with a 1.65 ERA for CL champion
Chunichi.

Sawamura Award equivalent to the Cy Young Award in our major leagues.

Climax Series equivalent to our League Championship Series.