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Danny Ainge Says Isaiah Thomas' Hip Injury Could Still Require Surgery
Alec Nathan
June 23, 2017



Boston Celtics general manager Danny Ainge told reporters Friday that while point guard Isaiah Thomas is doing "much better," his hip injury could still require surgery at some point during the offseason.

According to ESPN.com's Chris Forsberg, Ainge confirmed that even if Thomas does go under the knife, he should be recovered in time for training camp.

"That's what we're all hoping, that's what we all think," he said, per Forsberg.

Thomas gutted his way through the first two games of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Cleveland Cavaliers, but the Celtics shut him down after he aggravated the right femoral-acetabular impingement with labral tear he initially suffered in March.

Everyone does - and indeed physicals have not been done yet - trade is not even finalized officially.

So bottom line time will tell.

I mentioned this in Cavs folder over at Browns forum and Rusty disagreed with me, so I'm probably wrong. I'm not a huge NBA fan. But I do think I know the Cavs well, and I do think I know Lebron well. And this is how I see it.

The Cavs want to keep Lebron happy. They want him to finish his career there.

Lebron wants to finish his career in Cleveland ... as long as they put great pieces around him and he's a perennial contender.

Lebron has no interest in playing with a 19 year old next year who might end up a bust anyway. He wants to win this year, and next, and next ... He's still chasing Jordan. His legacy is so important to him.

So I see the Cavs trading that Brooklyn pick for a big piece to help them this year and remainder of LBJ's career.

Might not happen before season but definitely before deadline.

Most likely a big, like Cousins, whose contract is expiring and Orleans might not be able to keep anyway. Maybe Towns?

I saw where Colin Cowherd and Nick Wright were talking about this and agreed. Wright thinks it will be something along the lines of Frye, Shumpert, and Pick for Cousins.

The Cavs will have more people calling them about that draft pick then they had calling about Kyrie. They will pull trigger on something to help them right now, and next couple years.

Got to ask.... What is with the "proabably" ?

I think Gilbert will trade the pick if LeBron commits .

Don't see LeBron committing before the 2018 draft so the Cavs will be drafting or trading for a possible LeBron replacement.

a possible LeBron replacement

Irreplaceable!

Agreed, Civ...

Well obviously you don't trade the pick unless Lebron and the person you are trading the pick for both commit. I posted assuming LeBron wanted to finish his career here and Cavs want him here.

I just assume getting Li'l man Thomas and a wing defender in Crowder for Kyrie, and whatever player you can get for the pick would be enough to get him to stick around. He'd have a better chance winning and cementing his legacy in Cleveland with all those pieces and Love than anywhere else anyway. Decent chance we can maybe add Wade later too.

But if that is not the case then you don't trade the pick, obviously.

I see now where Shumpert is demanding a trade. Look Shump, if anybody wanted your sorry ass and that contract you would have been gone already. We were shopping you before Kyrie.

There are some stories on line, especially at the Boston Globe, that are very positive about Zizic and suggest he's going to be an important part of the future, too. My basketball guru, my son, likes the trade as the best we could possibly do [or more so] for the immediate future and what it gets us for the long term [2018 pick and Zizic as key building blocks for a Irving-less Thomas-less James-less future if it comes to that].

civ ollilavad wrote:

a possible LeBron replacement

Irreplaceable!

The real truth of the world is that everyone leaves !

LeBron is not going to commit before the 2018 draft. So how do they trade the pick if free agency is not until after the draft.

LeBron like everyone will need to be replaced.

As far as I know 3 of the last 4 NBA championships were won by teams without Lebron James.

Isaiah Thomas' Hip Injury Reportedly Could Void Kyrie Irving Trade to Celtics
Alec Nathan
August 25, 2017


The blockbuster trade between the Cleveland Cavaliers and Boston Celtics may be on hold.

According to a report from ESPN.com's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Cavaliers are "still evaluating" Thomas' injured hip following Friday's physical and and are "weighing options" with regard to the completion of the deal that would send Kyrie Irving to the Boston Celtics.

"It's a very sensitive situation," one source told Wojnarowski.

Cleveland.com's Joe Vardon added that Thomas' agent declined to comment on the situation.

Andre Iguodala chimed in on the possibility of a voided deal:

Thomas initially injured his hip March 15 against the Minnesota Timberwolves, and he aggravated it in Game 6 of the Eastern Conference semifinals against the Washington Wizards.

Thomas then played through the pain for two games in the Eastern Conference Finals before he was ruled out for the remainder of the postseason with a right femoral-acetabular impingement with labral tear.

The Celtics and Thomas jointly agreed to let the injury heal without surgery, but questions lingered about the point guard's health after he was shipped to the Cavaliers along with Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Brooklyn Nets' 2018 first-round pick.

On Tuesday, ESPN.com's Jeff Goodman reported the Celtics still had "significant concern" about Thomas' hip.

That concern translated to Cleveland on Friday, which means the Cavaliers will now have to assess the trade since it could be called off entirely if Thomas isn't cleared by Cleveland's doctors.

In the event the trade is voided, the Cavaliers will have to pivot to Plan B, which would likely be finding a new trade partner for Irving.

If I am the Cavs, as these talks go on with the Celtics, I am fielding offers from other teams.

If they beat the Celtics' offer, then void the deal and move on.

but isnt' the Cavs leverage with other teams even less now?

Just determines how you look at it.... There is only one young superstar player available in the NBA right now.

AND signed to a reasonable contract.

I agree with rusty. I do think the "lack of leverage" thing is overblown. One example....

Say Team X wanted Kyrie but was outbid by Boston.

After the trade they are regretting calling Altman's bluff and trying to lowball him.

NOW, you get a second chance, you call Altman back and re-open talks perhaps sweeten the deal. As rusty says, there is only ONE Kyrie Irving.

It only takes one buyer and the fact that many teams were interested only increases leverage. The Boston thing may actually drive up the price. It showed a concrete price for him that was quite high.

Funny thing is people thought the fact that Kyrie DEMANDED a trade decreased their leverage. Did not turn out that way in the least.

(PS - the Boston deal was so good I do think it will get resolved right there and go through in some form)

It was so good because that Brooklyn pick has insane value. People were so high on Bledsoe, well they could swap that pick for Bledsoe in a heartbeat (bad idea) and have Bledsoe and Crowder back for Kyrie.

Again, bad idea but the deal looks different when you think about it that way.

rusty2 wrote:Just determines how you look at it.... There is only one young superstar player available in the NBA right now.

Superstar?

The Cavaliers were 33-49 the year before Lebron arrived.

I can't remember the last time the Cavaliers won a game that LeBron sat out. 0-8 last year.

Superstars carry a franchise. They carry them to playoff and Finals appearances without a great supporting cast.

Love and Kyrie are all stars. Not superstars.

The Cavaliers have only had 1 superstar. And right now their only thought should be what they can do to keep him happy and wanting to stick around the rest of his career.