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At one point, we had 15 hits, and only 3 runs, I think!

It was 17 and 3. Yeah. Pathetic.

And yeah, Brantley may be playing through some pain right now, TFIR. Franconia hinted....

http://m.indians.mlb.com/news/article/1 ... n-soreness

Hard to believe, but Brantley is the only player from 2009 that we still have.


2009 Cleveland Indians Roster
Pitchers

59 Winston Abreu
36 Greg Aquino
63 Rafael Betancourt
55 Fausto Carmona
59 Carlos Carrasco
39 Vinnie Chulk
20 Mike Gosling
40 Matt Herges
38 David Huff
57 Zach Jackson
30 Masahide Kobayashi
32 Aaron Laffey
31 Cliff Lee
50 Jensen Lewis
46 Scott Lewis
63 Justin Masterson
16 Tomo Ohka
44 Carl Pavano
54 Chris Perez
53 Rafael Pérez
27 Anthony Reyes
56 Rich Rundles
49 Tony Sipp
38 Joe Smith
45 Jeremy Sowers
40 Jess Todd
47 José Veras
47 Luis Vizcaíno
34 Kerry Wood

Catchers

30 Lou Marson
41 Víctor Martínez
10 Kelly Shoppach
15 Wyatt Toregas

Infielders

29 Josh Barfield
13 Asdrúbal Cabrera
11 Jamey Carroll
7 Mark DeRosa
25 Ryan Garko
8 Chris Gimenez
4 Tony Graffanino
25 Andy Marte
2 Jhonny Peralta
4 Niuman Romero
1 Luis Valbuena

Outfielders

23 Michael Brantley
17 Shin-Soo Choo
30 Trevor Crowe
20 David Dellucci
12 Ben Francisco
7 Matt LaPorta
24 Grady Sizemore

Other batters

48 Travis Hafner

Manager

22 Eric Wedge

Coaches

28 Jeff Datz (third base)
33 Chuck Hernandez (bullpen)
6 Luis Rivera (first base/infield)
9 Derek Shelton (hitting)
35 Joel Skinner (bench)
51 Carl Willis (pitching)

Lindor 3-4 with a homer tonight for Columbus.

I'm ready to bring him up. Ramirez was worthless this weekend. Automatic out now.

I know all about the rules and bringing him up after whatever date, but screw it. We can't play any worse then we did early on, and we're still only 6 out of wild card and 6.5 out of 1st in division. We get Brantley going and get any kind of offense from the left side of our infield and we could easily make a run.

Certainly agree, but Jensen Lewis stated (and we've seen it before) "no way they bring up Lindor until the arbitration clock date goes by".

Not sure what that is this year, but it's always some time in June.

Actually, was surprised to hear Lewis say that, since the company line is always "he isn't ready yet".

It's actually the Super Two rule we are talking about. Being able to delay arbitration until the 3rd year.


Super Two

Normally, players must have accrued at least three years of MLB service time before they can be eligible for salary arbitration — or in other words, until they can negotiate their salary and not have it automatically set by their club. But certain players with less than three years of service time can also become eligible for arbitration, if they meet the following criteria:

● If they have less than three years of service time, but more than two.

● If they rank within the top 22% of all 2-year players in terms of service time.

So if a player finishes a season and is just shy of three years of service time (say, 2 years and 171 days) then MLB will award them Super Two status and they’ll be eligible for arbitration. Since these players are still under team control for another three seasons, that means Super Two players get four year of salary arbitration instead of the typical three.

The Super Two cutoff used to stand at 17%, but got changed to 22% in the new CBA negotiations. This means that if a team wants to keep a player in the minors until after the Super Two cutoff, they will have to keep that player in the minors for even longer than before. Considering that the cutoff used to fall sometime in June — it varied from year to year, as the 17% cutoff isn’t tied to a specific date — it will likely end up being in July going forward.

I just saw an update on Twitter that said Lindor was 1-2 with a walk. So either they're playing 2 or my earlier numbers was from last night. Sorry, still trying to get caught up since getting home.

There's been a lot of years I've been all for waiting. I know we aren't a major market with a ton of cash. We gotta do what we gotta do. But it is easier to be patient when you have some decent offense. This year I just feel we need to get all we can from everywhere we can. And like I said, Ramirez, I dunno man, every time he stepped into the box this weekend I just knew it was an out.

An outside view on Lindor:
5. Francisco Lindor, SS
Cleveland Indians
Currently at Triple-A Columbus

This 21-year-old is the Indians' future at shortstop. He is a special defensive player, with good range to both sides and a strong arm. He has the speed to steal 30-plus bases a season and the raw power to eventually hit 12-15 home runs. His switch-hitting bat is a work in progress, but he does profile to be a .300/.350/.420 type of hitter.

Lindor has been rushed through the Indians' farm system and could probably benefit from spending the whole year at Triple-A. But if his bat warms up and the Indians fight their way back into contention, they no doubt would consider calling him up.

Brantley picked a great time to bust out of his slump!

Here I was thinking Carasco pitched long enough to save the Bullpen a little bit.

I guess he has them on a 10 pitch count each thing or something.

If R-Ski blows this I'm gonna be pissed.

Well he didn't...so Yay....

And I'm pretty sure that Ramirez was out at first base....I think we got lucky on that one.

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