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Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:57 pm
by loufla
We still have Gomez who is young, and Huff.

Huff looking decent probably factored into giving up the arms.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:00 pm
by TDU
loufla wrote:Now someone would have to be dropped from the 25 man roster-

Any suggestions?

Buehler, Ferris Buehler.......
This might help:

Giants To Acquire Orlando Cabrera http://******/mPUJZo # mlb

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:06 pm
by TDU
J.R. wrote:
TDU wrote:Although this makes me feel a little better:

hoynsie paul hoynes
Ubaldo Jimenez must pass physical for deal to be OK'd by Indians.
1 minute ago
Like I said, the Indians are not fools.
Hey I still have memories of that trade that involved Ben McDonald from the Brewers!

December 8, 1997: Traded by the Milwaukee Brewers with Mike Fetters and Ron Villone to the Cleveland Indians for Marquis Grissom and Jeff Juden.
March 11, 1998: Traded by the Cleveland Indians to the Milwaukee Brewers for Mark Watson.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:15 pm
by TDU
JohnSheaHey John Shea
Report from @ hankschulman It's prospect Thomas Neal for Orlando Cabrera, who's making $1 million this year.

23 Year old AAA OF
http://www.baseball-reference.com/min...id=neal--001tho

Actually doesn't look too bad.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:18 pm
by Donnaj
I thought Loufla posted about possible Orlndo Cabrera trade but I don't see it nor do I see what I posted after that.

Anyway, Cleveland 11:00 news said the Tribe has not confirmed that trade until physicals are given.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:23 pm
by rocky raccoon
Is this really the Cleveland Indians in action here?

Feeling of the experts on the XM baseball channel is that the Tribe wins the deal short term, Rockies in the long run. They feel Pomeranz and White project to be #2 & #3 SPs for a long time.

Deal only works long term for Indians if Jimenez goes back to being an ace(like his 15-1, 2.22 ERA stretch).

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:25 pm
by TDU
Two Keith law Postings in one night. I do like his sense of humor:

keithlaw keithlaw
The Giants, tired of playing a statue (Tejada) or an automatic out (Crawford) at short, acquire Orlando Cabrera, who is both

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:26 pm
by TDU
Lastoria Twitter:

Telling u, #Indians sold high on Alex white. Concerns that middle finger sprain could be another Adam miller situation.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:27 pm
by rocky raccoon
I believe these moves mean the season is a failure if the Tribe doesn't win the Division this year.

Too much future to give away for a middle rotation guy.

But if Jimenez trends back upward, and the Tribe wins the Division, you gotta feel pretty good going into a playoff series with he and Masterson at the top and Tomlin the #3.

Heck, you add in Fukodome and Ludwick and you could make the case that the Tribe is trying to impersonate the World Champs formula of 2010.

As one who has often spoken out of the need to go for it now, I can't be down on this trade.

Go Tribe!

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:31 pm
by rocky raccoon

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:32 pm
by rocky raccoon
MLBastian Jordan Bastian
Indians GM Chris Antonetti will not comment on deal tonight. Wants to wait until results of physical come in Sunday.
2 minutes ago

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:34 pm
by rocky raccoon
One question is how long it will take for Pomeranz and White to get near the current Jimenez level.

Also- Both those guys will likely not ace out at altitude, helping the scales for the Tribe.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:40 pm
by rocky raccoon
I do wish the Tribe could have dumped Carmona instead of one of the kids.

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:42 pm
by rocky raccoon
Rockies believe Pomeranz is the key to the deal from their side, equal importance to getting Car-Go in the Holliday deal .

Re: General Discussion

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:44 pm
by TDU
Keith Law:

The main problem for Cleveland here is that it is incorrectly evaluating its own team -- the Indians shouldn't be buying, and while I could forgive them for not selling, that would be the smarter move for a team still trying to rebuild. Since a fluky 30-15 start driven largely by a schedule with more cupcakes than a Sprinkles bake shop, Cleveland is 23-36 and has been outscored by 77 runs in that span -- that is, it has been outscored by over a run and a quarter per game. Superman isn't going to close that gap, and while there are things to like about Ubaldo Jimenez, Superman he ain't.