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J.R. wrote:MT FAN: Um, this is the Cavs folder...

So sue me

Do you guys who know college basketball players, and who understand the value of a "trade exception" like that idea of trading for the 2nd pick?

I'm not crazy about the idea but if Gilbert is really set on the idea of getting the two top players in this year's draft then I suppose the trade with Detroit would be one of the few ways to make that happen.

I'd be happy with Irving and whoever the best player left at four ends up being.

It seems like Gilbert might be willing to pull out all the stops to rebuild the Cavs.

Exactly.

What it comes down to is Gilbert is willing to spend large money to upgrade the pick.

Hard to argue with that as a fan.

Trade exemption has great value. Not only does the team receiving it get to rid itself of a contract without taking a similar amount back. It also creates a trade exemption for the same amount for the team receiving it to use for one year.

So in this case Detroit would not only get rid of Hamilton but they would have a trade exemption for Hamilton's one year contract amount to use for the next year. They could break it up for multiple players or use it for one player or not at all.

Rusty:

Do you think trading the Exemption and No. 4 pick to move up to No. 2 is worth it? or could we could get something useful for the exemption and a good pick at No. 4?

I want Irving and a C or if we trade an established SF. Forget Williams he is a big risk. I'd rather stay at 4 and take the best C available. I can't see Detroit taking the trade exemption and nothing else for their 8 pick...

If Gilbert is willing to spend the $$$ on acquiring the #2 pick, what is there to complain about?

And there is always the chance the Cavs could draft Williams and move him in another deal. Not likely, but Gilbert and Grant will be pulling out all stops to make the Cavs competitive next season.

Draft Deal Dead?

By: Joel Brigham Last Updated: 5/29/11 8:26 AM ET | 5030 times read


Potentially Huge Draft-Day Deal Dying Down

News surfaced yesterday that the Cleveland Cavaliers, Minnesota Timberwolves, and Detroit Pistons were in talks to potentially get the #2 pick, which should turn into Derrick Williams one way or another, to Cleveland so they could reboot their franchise with Williams and Kyrie Irving.

As rumored, the deal would have Cleveland send their LeBron-James-sized trade exception to Detroit for Richard Hamilton, who would get the rest of his contract bought out. Minnesota would then send the #2 pick to Cleveland for the #4 and #8 picks, and the Cavs would be free to select Irving and Williams with the top two selections to really begin rebuilding their franchise.

On the surface, it's a deal that appears to help all teams involved. Minnesota would get themselves out of a particularly frustrating situation in which they'd probably have to take Williams with the second overall pick even though their two best players, Kevin Love and Michael Beasley, play his same position. Trading down would get them two top-ten picks that would allow them to fill some holes that actually need filling.

The benefits for Cleveland are obvious, but it's Detroit who reportedly is the team dragging their feet because of their uncertainty about Hamilton. While they'd love to unload his contract, and to be perfectly frank the 8th pick in this particular draft isn't exactly the steepest price in the world to get that done, the Pistons still think they could get a solid veteran player in a deal for Hamilton. In that case, a trade exception wouldn't get the job done.

Beyond that, uncertainty surrounding the new CBA makes it hard for Detroit to pull off so rash a move when there could potentially be an amnesty clause in the new deal that allows the Pistons an easier (and less costly) road to offloading Hamilton. If that ends up being the case, and they realize there was a way they could've let Rip go cheaply and kept their lottery pick, then this is a deal that could look silly in retrospect.

The way the NBA is now and has been for over a decade, this trade helps Detroit get rid of a bad contract by paying a relatively small price. L.A. played a much a larger one to do something similar with Baron Davis, just to call attention to precedent. However it seems as though the Pistons aren't quite so sure that even a small price is worth paying if there's a chance they could pay no price at all.


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civ ollilavad wrote:Rusty:

Do you think trading the Exemption and No. 4 pick to move up to No. 2 is worth it? or could we could get something useful for the exemption and a good pick at No. 4?

All depends on who the Cavs want at #2. Conventional wisdom says it is Derrick Williams they would be after. I would have a hard time arguing with anything that Gilbert and Grant want to do.

There are good players available at #4. I think the Cavs are just testing the waters for all the different scenarios.

I don't see how Derrick Williams wouldn't be the player the Cavs wanted if they move to #2. He's become the #1 big on the board.

I guess there is a slim chance the Cavs really have the hots for Kanter or JV.

At least it makes it worthwhile to follow.

Guess I should have said that if the Cavs think Williams is a future star then trading for #2 is a good idea. Most teams build by selecting one top of the draft player a year. The Cavs getting 2 in one year would speed up the process.

Personally I would rather have #1, #4, and #8.

The odds are pretty darn high that more than 2 players drafted in 2011 will have good/very good careers in the NBA. If the Cavs can get one star and 2 solid rotation players out of this draft, I'd say job well done.

But Gilbert and Grant seem determined to use the TPE for something. No doubt that one year of taking a step back is enough for Gilbert. That doesn't mean turning the ship around overnight, but building a solid young core of talent ala OKC.

If the CBA brings about a lower, hard salary cap, key veteran role players should be easier to acquire because teams won't have many extra dollars to pay them after the stars get theirs.

The Pistons-Cavs-Wolves Deal: Over the weekend ESPN's Chris Broussard reported that the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Detroit Pistons were having discussions on a deal that would have had the Timberwolves trading the #2 overall draft selection in the 2011 NBA Draft to the Cavaliers in a complex deal that would have had Cleveland absorbing Richard Hamilton and his some $24 million in salary from the Pistons.

As reported, the deal would have had Cleveland sending its #4 pick along with the Pistons' #8 pick to Minnesota, in exchange for the 2nd overall pick. Cleveland would absorb Richard Hamilton using the $14.5 million Traded Player Exception it holds from the LeBron James sign and trade deal with Miami. The Pistons would receive cap relief and a $12.5 million Traded Player Exception for Hamilton and the #8.

The trade died a pretty quick death as sources close to the situation explained that Detroit, while interested, was not willing to just give Richard Hamilton away, and that surrendering the #8 overall pick, even in a very flat draft in terms of talent, was not something the Pistons were open to unless it involved getting other players or draft assets in return.

The Timberwolves also hold the 20th pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and the Cavaliers hold the 32rd pick, and Piston sources said both of those assets would have to be included for a deal to even be talked about seriously and apparently neither the Cavs or Wolves were willing to budge on those assets at this point.

Piston sources said that until the ownership change is officiated, things are still a little murky, but that incoming Pistons' owner Tom Gores has made no demands on cost cuts and with the Pistons sitting on $47 million in salary commitments there is no urgency to dump a salary.

The same Piston sources explained that Joe Dumars still has a great deal of affection for Richard Hamilton and that "dumping" him was not viewed as a necessary option in Joe's mind, it would have to return something that helps the Pistons improve and a $12.5 million TPE was not enough value for Rip Hamilton and the #8 pick.

Sources say the Pistons like Cavaliers forward Christian Eyenga and Cavs guard Daniel Gibson. Sources also said if the Cavs and Wolves found a way to remove an additional salary such as the $7 million owed to Charlie Villanueva that might increase the appeal of the transaction. As the deal sits today the Pistons do not see the value for their side and until that changes there is no deal to talk about.

The Pistons continue to tell inquiring player agents that they do not have a deal involving the 8th pick on the table and will continue to hold draft workouts for players in that draft range.

However according to sources close to all three teams, the deal is not under active discussion, but all three teams are keeping the lines of communication open.

The belief from the Pistons side is if Minnesota and Cleveland come off the 20th and 32nd picks, a deal could happen, it just not seem like either team is there just yet.

There are 24 days until the 2011 NBA Draft in New Jersey, so it's more likely that Detroit continues to look at players projected in the #8 range to see if there is really anything there before making a final decision.



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