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Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:07 am
by Hillbilly
Yup, and we have good arms in the wings. Tyler Naquin was leading the league in OF assists for a while this year. Even with his injury he finished with 11, which kept him in top 5.
Zimmer has a good arm.
I dunno, I’m old fashioned and a traditionalist I know, but I come from the school where in the majors you hide your worst fielder in left.
I haven’t seen Reyes play the field, but just judging a book from its cover I would assume we’ll have better athletes with good arms to put in RF.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:18 am
by TFIR
Hillbilly wrote:Whether Puig stayed or not I would put Reyes in left field.
Would love that outfield with Mercado in center for sure.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:21 am
by TFIR
Hillbilly wrote:
I haven’t seen Reyes play the field, but just judging a book from its cover I would assume we’ll have better athletes with good arms to put in RF.
Oh for sure but Tito likes flexibility. He will want Reyes in the field at least part time.
He is still young and we are not talking Big Papi here. He can actually run the bases pretty well and is athletic for his size. I saw his score more than once on plays where big lugs would be held at 3B.
Sheesh, Reyes in LF and Puig in RF with our infield bats would be so imposing! And with the young pitcher influx added to Bieber/Clevinger and Kluber/Carrasco fully back our pitching staff speaks for itself
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:42 pm
by civ ollilavad
Luplow's OPS was way higher than either Puig or Reyes. He apparently can't hit righties but he's dynamite vs. lefties. He plays somewhere
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:07 pm
by TFIR
Very doubtful Puig returns anyways so there's that.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:38 pm
by loufla
Puig made 9.7 M this year what kind of an offer should be made if we make one? He hit well enough but not for power while with the Tribe.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:25 pm
by TFIR
If he would do 2 years for $20 million I would do that for sure. Very max. He would have to be VERY motivated to return for that.
That's why it's unlikely in my view. He is at an age where he would want to cash in as much as possible...now.
Oh, and I doubt the Indians would offer that - even though it's below market value. They don't need 2 right fielders. Puig would have to offer the Tribe a crazy cheap deal (1 year at $10 mill?) for them to consider it.
I believe the Twins signed Nelson Cruz for this season a 1 year for $14 million. That's Cruz, who is a much better hitter than Puig and has had an incredible career. Total bargain, Cruz hit over .300 with 41 homers.
So go down from there.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:56 pm
by Hillbilly
Zack Meisel was asked last week what he thought of maybe Puig returning. He said he thinks some team will offer him something around 3 years and 30 mill, which would take him out of Indians range.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:56 am
by TFIR
They didn't do Brantley last year - so this one is pretty obvious.
Much more likely they repeat the Bauer process with another starting pitcher.
Certainly you would think they would let Kluber get his value back by pitching next season BUT if some team were to take a chance and pay full price for him then....you do it.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:51 pm
by civ ollilavad
currently 47 on the 40 man roster including the 7 on the 60-day DL. They have to be added back sometime around the end of the World Series. Then subtract the free agents: Kluber, Puig, Kipnis, Otero, Clippard and Flaherty. That cuts the list down to 41. We sure as heck know that Danny Salazar will be nontendered. But I don't see any reason not to do the same with any and all of these pitchers, some of whom could be worth bringing back but all could be improved upon:
Cody Anderson, AJ Cole, Nick Goody, James Hoyt, Phil Maton; Tyler Olson. maybe not Hunter Wood since we actually traded someone for him and his 2019 ERA was under 3. Cimber is not necessarily any better than most of them.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:35 pm
by Hillbilly
Chris Antonetti made it official today. Kluber’s option is picked up, Kipnis’ is not.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:57 pm
by Hillbilly
Some other take-aways from today’s final meeting with the press ...
Indians aren’t shutting the door on a Kipnis return.
But Francona said something interesting ... that he told front office these players deserve a chance to to have a dogpile celebration. They’ve earned it. Will they go after a big bat this offseason, like a Rendon?
Puig really liked it in Cleveland, would be open to a return.
Indians want Reyes in OF next year. (And HB wants Bradley at DH next year)
Antonetti says they would like to keep Lindor in Cleveland his entire career, just haven’t been able to sign him to extension yet, but still trying.... (remember you heard it here first)
Jose says he is open to playing 2nd or 3rd next year, just don’t want to bounce back and forth.
Francona fired Atchison as bullpen coach. The rest of his staff will return next year. Says he wants a different skill set out there. Whatever that means.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:02 pm
by civ ollilavad
never been entirely sure what a bullpen coach does. Bring Back Lou Isaacs!
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:19 pm
by Hillbilly
Antonetti also said the team is declining reliever Dan Otero's $1.5 million option.
Kipnis will get a $2.5 million buyout. Otero will receive a $100,000 buyout.
Re: General Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:35 pm
by Hillbilly
Hanley Ramirez, Carlos Gonzalez, Mike Freeman, Ryan Flaherty, Tyler Clippard, Matthew Joyce, Brad Miller, Cameron Maybin
A couple of those guys did admirable jobs, but I hope we have better luck cooking on the hot stove this year.