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Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:50 pm
by TFIR
More on this civ:

Rosenthal: Royals’ GM Moore seething over union’s stance on 40-man roster camps


By Ken Rosenthal Sep 23, 2020 85
Royals catcher Salvador Peréz missed the entire 2019 season while recovering from Tommy John surgery, about half of spring training 2.0 after testing positive for COVID-19 and nearly four weeks during the season because of a fluid-filled particle in his left eye.

So when the Royals offered players the chance to remain in Kansas City for a training camp at Kauffman Stadium after the conclusion of the 2020 season, Peréz was eager for the extra work, according to a source with knowledge of the thinking. In fact, 24 of the players on the Royals’ 40-man roster said they wanted to participate, general manager Dayton Moore said.

But two memos from the Players Association, both of which were obtained by The Athletic, said the union was unwilling to grant consent for a camp that would run counter to the sport’s collective bargaining agreement. The decision left Moore seething that players who want to continue honing their craft by working directly with their organization will not get that chance.

The union said camps such as the one proposed by the Royals for 40-man roster players would represent, as an extension of the 2020 work calendar, a departure from the terms the players and owners negotiated in the CBA.

“That’s the dysfunction in the game,” Moore said on Wednesday. “I’m not a labor attorney. I’m not negotiating the next Basic Agreement. My job is simply to provide opportunities for players to play baseball.

“That’s all we’ve tried to do. No agenda. Very innocent. And for whatever reason, we have labor attorneys, once again, deciding who gets to play baseball and who doesn’t get to play baseball when a kid just simply wants to put the damn uniform on and go play.”

The union’s decision-making process includes not just attorneys, but also executive director Tony Clark and other former players who now work for the PA. Going back to the late Marvin Miller, union leaders have said players determine the direction of the union.

Like Peréz, shortstop Adalberto Mondesi is a major leaguer who intended to participate in the Royals’ camp. Mondesi, 25, has struggled offensively this season, entering Wednesday’s play with a .209 batting average and .566 OPS. His agent, Gio Rodriguez of CAA, said Mondesi was sympathetic to both the union’s and Moore’s positions.

“Mondi wanted to stay and work through some added ABs. The organization had put together a plan he felt comfortable with,” Rodriguez said. “He felt he could work on his craft with the organization and show them he’s focused on getting to his potential.

“However, he does understand the union’s stance and how it affects other union members. As with much of 2020, this situation is a clear representation of how we need to come together to find the right path.”

Moore said he heard from agents the union would allow the Royals to hold their camp for 40-man players if they continued paying them full salaries rather than proceed with a plan to house them at hotels, feed them at the ballpark and pay them $50 per day in meal money as well. Neither of the union’s memos to agents mentioned the PA changing its position if players received full salaries.

The first memo, sent to agents of players on the Royals’ 40-man roster in mid-September, said the team could not conduct a camp after the season without the union’s consent. The second memo, sent to all agents on Tuesday night, said the union had informed the commissioner’s office it would not grant permission for clubs to include 40-man players in such camps.

The only exceptions the union said it will consider are for players who want to participate for medical reasons — the rehabilitation of an injury, for example, or a COVID-19 related medical history. A source with knowledge of the league’s position said some 40-man players already have been approved.

The Royals became a focal point for the union because of their aggressiveness in trying to create opportunities for players to continue training after a 2020 season in which the major-league schedule was reduced from 162 games to 60 and the minor-league campaign was canceled. “We’ve got to move forward. We’ve got to develop players. We’re not getting better,” Moore said.

The ability of teams to conduct fall and winter programs initially was in doubt, in part because some teams did not believe they were necessary. But the Royals in late August presented a plan to the commissioner’s office for a program at its spring facility in Surprise, Ariz., that included intake testing for COVID-19 and excluded high-risk employees. According to Moore, city officials in Surprise supported the plan, as did officials of the Texas Rangers, with whom the Royals share their spring training facility.

On Sept. 1, as first reported by Baseball America, the league sent a memo to club executives saying that fall instructional programs, including games against other clubs, would be permitted starting Sept. 18. The memo said 40-man roster players could not attend the camps, with exceptions to be granted on a case-by-case basis.

A few days later, Moore said Royals assistant GM J.J. Piccolo told him several of the team’s major leaguers had expressed a desire to take part in the instructional league. Moore then decided if the team failed to reach the postseason, it would hold a separate camp for 40-man roster players for 3 1/2 weeks at Kauffman Stadium after the season ended.

Royals manager Mike Matheny and his coaching staff agreed to run the camp and owner John Sherman approved the expenditures, Moore said — $700,000 for the camp in Kansas City and $1 million for the one in Arizona, which will proceed as planned, but without 40-man players, from Sept. 30 to Oct. 23.

The union, in addition to viewing the camps for 40-man players as outside the domain of the CBA, expressed concern in its most recent memo to agents that clubs were pressuring players to attend.

“For some teams, it appears that only non-40 man roster players are being invited. For several other teams, however, 40-man roster players are being invited as well,” the memo said. “And while these camps are being advertised by most clubs as ‘voluntary,’ we have heard from several sources that players are being pressured to attend, and also that several players fear adverse consequences from club decision-makers if they choose to instead return home.”

Moore said he received confirmation from players and their agents about the willingness of those players to participate. But he also acknowledged hearing that some players had complained to their agents about teammates pressuring them to attend.

“I have no idea if that’s true or not,” said Moore, who before becoming Royals GM in May 2006 spent more than a decade with the Braves. “All I can tell you is our culture, whether here in Kansas City or Atlanta, has always been, ‘If you don’t want to go winter ball, we’re not forcing you to go to winter ball. If you don’t want to go to Instructional League, we’re not forcing you to go to Instructional League.’ This is just an opportunity. We set this entire camp up at their request – the players’ request – to continue to play.”

Moore said he understands the union’s position, to a point.

“There are legal reasons they don’t want them to play. They don’t want to set precedent. I understand all of that,” Moore said. “I’m not a lawyer. I’m sure there are fine people just defending labor, defending unions, trying to do the right thing in their business. But they don’t understand my business. They don’t understand the players’ business. People need to start understanding what baseball means to a baseball player.”

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:57 pm
by seagull
I'm confused.

What a mess.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:34 am
by civ ollilavad
I'll see if BA has an explanation.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:06 am
by TFIR
Fantrax Fantasy updated rankings (Seems they missed that Triston debuted already). Seems quite bullish on the Tribe.

Top-250 Fantasy Baseball Prospects - Updated 10/12/2020
Qualifications: 130 MLB AB or less, 50 MLB IP or less, 45 days or less on the active roster (September excluded)
Rank Player Position MLB Team Age ETA Prev
1 Wander Franco SS TB 19.7 2021 1
2 Jarred Kelenic OF SEA 21.3 2021 2
3 Julio Rodriguez OF SEA 19.8 2022 5
4 Marco Luciano SS SF 19.1 2023 7
5 MacKenzie Gore LHP SD 21.7 2021 8
6 Spencer Torkelson 1B/3B DET 21.2 2022 12
7 CJ Abrams SS SD 20.1 2022 9
8 Bobby Witt Jr. SS KC 20.4 2022 11
9 Kristian Robinson OF ARI 19.9 2022 10
10 Dylan Carlson OF STL 22 Debuted 13
11 Jasson Dominguez OF NYY 17.7 2024 14
12 Andrew Vaughn 1B CHW 22.6 2021 15
13 Nate Pearson RHP TOR 24.2 Debuted 17
14 Royce Lewis SS MIN 21.4 2021 18
15 Matt Manning RHP DET 22.7 2021 19
16 Noelvi Marte SS SEA 19 2023 21
17 Adley Rutschman C BAL 22.7 2021 20
18 Sixto Sanchez RHP MIA 22.2 Debuted 47
19 Zac Veen OF COL 18.9 2023 23
20 Vidal Brujan 2B TB 22.7 2021 24
21 Alex Kirilloff OF MIN 23 2021 25
22 Austin Martin 3B/SS/OF TOR 21.6 2022 26
23 Forrest Whitley RHP HOU 23.1 2021 22
24 Alek Thomas OF ARI 20.5 2022 27
25 Corbin Carroll OF ARI 20.2 2022 32
26 Trevor Larnach OF MIN 23.7 2021 30
27 Jordan Groshans SS TOR 21 2022 33
28 Casey Mize RHP DET 23.5 Debuted 28
29 Garrett Mitchell OF MIL 22.1 2022 35
30 Drew Waters OF ATL 21.8 2021 29
31 Luis Patino RHP SD 21 Debuted 36
32 Nick Gonzales 2B/SS PIT 21.4 2022 37
33 Joey Bart C SF 23.9 Debuted 38
34 Emerson Hancock RHP SEA 21.4 2022 39
35 Spencer Howard RHP PHI 24.3 Debuted 40
36 Triston Casas 1B BOS 20.8 2022 48
37 Riley Greene OF DET 20.1 2022 41
38 Brennen Davis OF CHC 21 2022 42
39 Asa Lacy LHP KC 21.4 2022 43
40 Michael Kopech RHP CHW 24.5 Debuted 44
41 Jazz Chisholm SS MIA 22.7 Debuted 45
42 Austin Hendrick OF CIN 19.4 2023 46
43 Max Meyer RHP MIA 21.6 2021 49
44 Jeter Downs 2B/SS BOS 22.3 2021 51
45 George Valera OF CLE 20 2022 53
46 Brandon Marsh OF LAA 22.9 2021 54
47 Grayson Rodriguez RHP BAL 20.9 2022 58
48 Ian Anderson RHP ATL 22.5 Debuted 76
49 Pete Crow-Armstrong OF NYM 18.6 2023 60
50 Nolan Gorman 3B STL 20.5 2022 50
51 Erick Pena OF KC 17.7 2024 61
52 Xavier Edwards 2B TB 21.2 2021 59
53 Tarik Skubal LHP DET 23.9 Debuted 52
54 Matthew Liberatore LHP STL 21 2022 56
55 Cristian Pache OF ATL 21.9 Debuted 62
56 Logan Gilbert RHP SEA 23.5 2021 63
57 Taylor Trammell OF SEA 23.1 2021 55
58 Robert Puason SS OAK 18.1 2024 66
59 Brailyn Marquez LHP CHC 21.7 Debuted 74
60 Orelvis Martinez SS TOR 18.9 2023 68
61 Nolan Jones 3B CLE 22.5 2021 70
62 Mick Abel RHP PHI 19.2 2023 77
63 Ronny Mauricio SS NYM 19.6 2021 71
64 Robert Hassell III OF SD 19.2 2023 72
65 Shane Baz RHP TB 21.4 2022 78
66 Austin Wells C NYY 21.3 2022 80
67 Hunter Bishop OF SF 22.3 2022 73
68 JJ Bleday OF MIA 23 2021 81
69 Clarke Schmidt RHP NYY 24.7 Debuted 104
70 Heston Kjerstad OF BAL 21.7 2022 82
71 Nick Lodolo LHP CIN 22.7 2021 113
72 Ryan Mountcastle 1B BAL 23.7 Debuted 97
73 Heliot Ramos OF SF 21.1 2021 75
74 Nick Madrigal 2B CHW 23.6 Debuted 85
75 George Kirby RHP SEA 22.7 2021 137
76 Seth Beer OF ARI 24.1 2021 87
77 Kody Hoese 3B LAD 23.3 2022 89
78 Josh Jung 3B TEX 22.7 2022 90
79 Brendan McKay LHP TB 24.9 Debuted 83
80 Brayan Rocchio SS CLE 19.8 2022 91
81 Ed Howard SS CHC 18.7 2023 92
82 Greg Jones SS TB 22.6 2022 93
83 DL Hall LHP BAL 22.1 2021 94
84 Isaiah Greene OF NYM 19.2 2023 95
85 Ke'Bryan Hayes 3B PIT 23.7 Debuted 184
86 Tyler Freeman SS CLE 21.4 2022 117
87 Oneil Cruz SS PIT 22.1 2022 65
88 Bobby Dalbec 3B BOS 25.3 Debuted 98
89 Hudson Head OF SD 19.6 2023 115
90 Garrett Crochet LHP CHW 21.4 Debuted 114
91 Sherten Apostel 3B TEX 21.6 2022 99
92 Jesus Sanchez OF MIA 23.1 Debuted 86
93 Misael Urbina OF MIN 18.5 2024 102
94 Bayron Lora OF TEX 18.1 2024 103
95 Daniel Lynch LHP KC 23.9 2021 105
96 Luisangel Acuna SS TEX 18.6 2023 106
97 Nick Bitsko RHP TB 18.4 2023 107
98 Randy Arozarena OF TB 25.7 Debuted 221
99 Aaron Sabato 1B MIN 21.4 2022 100
100 Jonathan India 3B CIN 23.9 2021 108
101 A.J. Puk LHP OAK 25.5 Debuted 69
102 Maximo Acosta SS TEX 18 2024 109
103 Michael Toglia 1B COL 22.2 2022 110
104 Edward Cabrera RHP MIA 22.5 2021 111
105 Aaron Bracho 2B CLE 19.5 2023 120
106 Alexander Canario OF SF 20.5 2023 116
107 Hunter Greene RHP CIN 21.2 2022 146
108 Luis Campusano C SD 22.1 Debuted 118
109 Jose Garcia SS CIN 22.4 Debuted 119
110 Francisco Alvarez C NYM 18.9 2023 122
111 Jared Kelley RHP CHW 19.1 2023 123
112 Luis Matos OF SF 18.7 2024 126
113 Gilberto Jimenez OF BOS 20.3 2022 128
114 Simeon Woods-Richardson RHP TOR 20.1 2022 140
115 Jared Oliva OF PIT 24.9 2021 121
116 Brett Baty 3B NYM 21 2022 129
117 Geraldo Perdomo SS PIT 21 2022 130
118 Ethan Hankins RHP CLE 20.4 2023 131
119 Daniel Espino RHP CLE 19.8 2022 132
120 Monte Harrison OF MIA 25.2 Debuted 124
121 Reid Detmers LHP LAA 21.3 2021 134
122 Jake Fraley OF SEA 25.4 Debuted 112
123 Jordan Balazovic RHP MIN 22.1 2021 135
124 Jordyn Adams OF LAA 21 2022 138
125 Josiah Gray RHP LAD 22.9 2021 127
126 Khalil Lee OF KC 22.3 2021 139
127 Shane McClanahan LHP TB 23.5 Debuted 143
128 Daniel Cabrera OF DET 22.1 2022 141
129 Josh Lowe OF TB 22.7 2021 142
130 Jordan Walker 3B STL 18.4 2023 133
131 Jackson Rutledge RHP WAS 21.6 2022 144
132 Jarren Duran OF BOS 24.1 2021 216
133 Cole Winn RHP TEX 20.9 2023 145
134 Zachary DeLoach OF SEA 22.2 2022 147
135 Luis Rodriguez OF LAD 18.1 2024 148
136 Cade Cavalli RHP WAS 22.2 2022 149
137 Liover Peguero SS PIT 19.8 2023 150
138 Alek Manoah RHP TOR 22.8 2022 151
139 Cole Wilcox RHP SD 21.3 2022 153
140 Jeferson Espinal OF ARI 18.4 2024 154
141 Alexfri Planez OF CLE 19.2 2024 155
142 Blake Walston LHP ARI 19.3 2024 157
143 Heriberto Hernandez C/1/OF TEX 20.9 2023 222
144 Jordan Westburg SS BAL 21.7 2022 159
145 Hedbert Perez OF MIL 17.6 2024 182
146 Deivi Garcia RHP NYY 21.4 Debuted 171
147 Kameron Misner OF MIA 22.8 2022 161
148 Isaac Paredes 3B/SS DET 21.7 Debuted 136
149 Michael Busch 2B LAD 23 2021 164
150 Gabriel Arias SS CLE 20.6 2021 168
151 Peyton Burdick OF MIA 23.7 2022 165
152 Luis Gil RHP NYY 22.4 2022 166
153 Bryce Jarvis RHP ARI 22.8 2022 169
154 Bryson Stott SS PHI 23.1 2022 170
155 Miguel Hiraldo MI TOR 20.1 2022 174
156 Andy Pages OF LAD 19.9 2023 175
157 Brent Honeywell Jr. RHP TB 25.6 2021 167
158 Dillon Dingler C DET 22.1 2022 181
159 Brice Turang SS MIL 20.9 2022 177
160 Justin Foscue 2B TEX 21.7 2022 178
161 Travis Swaggerty OF PIT 23.2 2022 179
162 Reginald Preciado SS SD 17.4 2024 180
163 Alex De Jesus SS LAD 18.6 2024 185
164 Brennan Malone RHP PIT 20.1 2023 186
165 Tyler Soderstrom C OAK 18.9 2023 187
166 Edward Olivares OF KC 24.6 2021 188
167 Kevin Alcantara OF NYY 18.3 2024 189
168 Gabriel Rodriguez 3B/SS CLE 21.6 2024 190
169 Jackson Kowar RHP KC 24.1 2021 191
170 J.B. Bukauskas RHP ARI 24 2021 192
171 Keoni Cavaco SS MIN 19.4 2023 194
172 Jairo Pomares OF SF 20.2 2023 195
173 Triston McKenzie RHP CLE 23.2 2021 212
174 Matt Wallner OF MIN 22.9 2022 196
175 Quinn Priester RHP PIT 20.1 2022 197
176 Tahnaj Thomas RHP PIT 21.4 2023 NR
177 Jhon Torres OF STL 20.6 2023 199
178 Luis Frias RHP ARI 22.4 2022 200
180 Leody Taveras OF TEX 22.1 2021 218
181 Jared Jones RHP PIT 19.2 2023 201
182 Jhonkensy Noel 1B/3B CLE 19.3 2024 202
183 Dax Fulton LHP MIA 19 2023 203
184 Estevan Florial OF NYY 22.9 Debuted 160
185 Adam Kloffenstein RHP TOR 20.2 2023 204
186 J.T. Ginn RHP NYM 21.4 2022 205
187 Jordan Nwogu OF CHC 21.6 2022 206
188 Braxton Garrett LHP MIA 23.2 2022 207
189 Matthew Allan RHP NYM 19.5 2023 208
190 Jake Vogel OF LAD 19 2023 209
191 Jeremiah Jackson SS LAA 20.6 2022 210
192 Luis Medina RHP NYY 21.5 2022 214
193 Gage Workman 3B DET 21 2022 211
194 Arol Vera SS LAA 18.1 2024 213
195 Dane Dunning RHP CHW 25.9 Debuted NR
196 Diego Cartaya C LAD 19.1 2024 215
197 Owen Caissie OF SD 18.3 2023 217
198 Braden Shewmake SS ATL 22.9 2022 219
199 Freudis Nova INF HOU 20.8 2023 220
200 Hudson Haskin OF BAL 21.8 2022 223
201 Jhoan Duran RHP MIN 22.8 2021 224
202 Bubba Thompson OF TEX 22.4 2022 225
203 Petey Halpin OF CLE 18.4 2023 227
204 Alexander Vargas SS NYY 23.3 2023 228
205 Brenton Doyle OF COL 22.5 2022 229
206 Alejandro Kirk C TOR 22 Debuted NR
207 Lewin Diaz 1B MIA 23.9 Debuted 230
208 Kyle Muller LHP ATL 23.1 2021 231
209 Mason Denaburg RHP WAS 21.2 2023 232
210 Cole Roederer OF CHC 21.1 2022 235
211 Freddy Zamora SS MIL 21.9 2022 236
212 Bryce Ball 1B ATL 22.3 2021 237
213 Ismael Mena OF SD 17.9 2024 238
214 Casey Martin SS PHI 21.6 2022 239
215 Maikol Escotto 2B NYY 18.4 2024 240
216 Masyn Winn SS/RHP STL 18.6 2024 241
217 Alexander Ramirez OF LAA 18.2 2025 242
218 Slade Cecconi RHP ARI 21.3 2022 243
219 Aaron Schunk 3B COL 23.3 2022 NR
220 Angel Martinez INF CLE 18.7 2024 244
221 Oswald Peraza SS NYY 20.4 2023 NR
222 CJ Van Eyk RHP TOR 22.1 2022 245
223 Mark Vientos 3B NYM 20.9 2023 226
224 Bobby Miller RHP LAD 21.6 2022 247
225 Miguel Vargas 1B/3B LAD 20.9 2022 248
226 Alexander Mojica 3B PIT 18.2 2024 NR
227 Sam Huff C TEX 22.8 Debuted NR
228 Ricky Vanasco RHP TEX 22 2022 NR
229 Levi Kelly RHP ARI 21.5 2022 NR
230 Luis Toribio 3B SF 20.1 2023 NR
231 Antonio Cabello OF NYY 20 2023 NR
232 Ryan Weathers LHP SD 20.9 2022 246
233 Owen Miller 2B/SS CLE 24 2021 NR
234 Will Wilson SS SF 22.3 2022 NR
235 Adam Hall SS BAL 21.4 2022 NR
236 Hans Crouse RHP TEX 22.1 2022 250
237 Wilderd Patino OF ARI 19.3 2025 NR
238 Corbin Martin RHP ARI 24.8 2021 NR
239 David Calabrese OF LAA 18.1 2023 NR
240 Alexander Ramirez OF NYM 18.2 2023 NR
241 Jack Kochanowicz RHP LAA 19.8 2023 NR
242 Canaan Smith OF NYY 21.5 2022 NR
243 Kyle Isbel OF KC 23.7 2021 NR
244 Josh Wolf RHP NYM 20.2 2023 NR
245 Kyren Paris SS LAA 19 2023 NR
246 Tanner Burns RHP CLE 21.7 2022 NR
247 Tucupita Marcano 2B SD 21.1 2022 234
248 Trevor Rogers LHP MIA 23 Debuted NR
249 Ezequiel Duran 2B NYY 21.4 2023 NR
250 Daulton Jefferies RHP OAK 25.2 Debuted NR

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:14 am
by civ ollilavad
I might have missed someone but they [whoever they are] list these Cleveland guys:

45 Valera [did anyone scout him in Eastlake?
61 Jones
80 Rocchio
86 Freeman
105 Bracho
118 Hankins
119 Espino [usually rated a notch or two above Hankins
141 Planez [not on lists by the "pro" type raters
150 Arias
168 G Rodriguez
173 McKenzie [sort of low; did they know that he is healthy?
182 Noel
203 Halpin [highest ranked here of this year's draft picks
220 Angel Martinez
233 Owen Miller
245 Tanner Burns [this year's 2nd round pick

Absent of note: Did I miss Bo Naylor? He's in the top 4 or 5 on most Indians' lists. this year' first round pick Carson Tucker; any of our various Logan Allens; Scott Moss; the 2019 top couple picks who can't hit a lick. Joey Cantillo, the Lefty we got from SD. AAA guys Bradley and Johnson and pitchers Clase, Oviedo, Hentges.
But no question they don't ALL rank among the best 250 prospects; each team on average would have 8; we have 16. And since we certainly dominate the bottom 3/4 of that list.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:31 pm
by seagull
To me they're just names on a list. When they rise to the Major League roster, let's see how they perform.

Prospects are prospects, until they aren't.

Now they need a place to play. Have the minors been destroyed?

Not feeling good about Baseball these days.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:07 pm
by civ ollilavad
Simply a matter that we each have our own interests. I am a fan of minor league baseball and like to see how players develop. I have no interest in postseason baseball not involving the Indians and have little interest in other pro sports.
Joe is a big fan of winter leagues
Some people like to knit; make model airplanes; fly drones; go hunting.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:46 pm
by TFIR
Yeah - guess it's safe to say that seagull's application as the Tribe's Arizona Fall league top scout will now be torn up.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:51 pm
by TFIR
civ - Fantrax caters to fantasy Dynasty leagues (most of them pay leagues) so prospects are their big time interest.

In a Dynasty fantasy leagues there is no re-draft from year to year. Each season you draft minor leaguers only with an emphasis on the previous MLB draft class being eligible. Hard core stuff.

Each owner/team owns, usually, at least 25 minor leaguers in addition to their major league roster.

So this is definitely a serious list for only the most serious fantasy players.

For me, I'd say Bo Naylor is the single biggest surprise not on this list - agree with you there.

But to have that many in the top 200 is pretty surprising to me. And I'm especially impressed they were all over Rocchio, Bracho and had Freeman that high.

As for Triston, perhaps they still consider him highly risky due to his injury history. So for fantasy purposes it devalues him.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:09 pm
by seagull
TFIR wrote:Yeah - guess it's safe to say that seagull's application as the Tribe's Arizona Fall league top scout will now be torn up.

2020 Arizona Fall League canceled.

I guess I'll apply for unemployment.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:37 am
by civ ollilavad
I'll be posting the list up 48 players Indians have invited to Instructional League later today. Rocchio is still not able to get out of Venezuela. The roster includes 20 infielders and 6 outfielders and the latter outside of Valera and this year's draft pick Petey Halpin are not a very impressive group. Let's hope that they pick a half dozen of the infielders to start converting to the outfield

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:33 am
by civ ollilavad
Instructional League roster; guys on the 40 man roster are not eligible this year, so not permitted are: Pitchers Scott Moss, the other Logan Allen, Sam Hentges, Juan Carlos Mejia, Kyle Nelson;


Pitchers (19) Age B/T Height Weight Acquired
Logan Allen 21 R/L 6-0 170 2020 Draft (2)
Robert Broom 23 R/R 6-1 190 2018 Draft (10)
Raymond Burgos 21 L/L 6-5 170 2016 Draft (18)
Tanner Burns 21 R/R 6-0 180 2020 Draft (1s)
Joey Cantillo 20 L/L 6-4 200 2020 Trade
Xzavion Curry 21 R/R 5-11 190 2019 Draft (7)
Hunter Gaddis 22 R/R 6-5 202 2019 Draft (5)
Ethan Hankins 20 R/R 6-6 200 2018 Draft (1s)
Tim Herrin 23 L/L 6-5 225 2018 Draft (29)
Mason Hickman 21 R/R 6-6 228 2020 Draft (5)
Jared Janczak 25 R/R 6-1 205 2019 Draft (31)
Kyle Marman 23 R/R 6-2 178 2018 Draft (13)
Shane McCarthy 23 R/R 6-2 190 2018 Draft (18)
Kirk McCarty 24 L/L 5-10 185 2017 Draft (7)
Nick Mikolajchak 22 R/R 6-2 205 2019 Draft (11)
Cody Morris 23 R/R 6-4 205 2018 Draft (7)
Luis Oviedo 21 R/R 6-4 170 IFA 2015
Lenny Torres 19 R/R 6-1 190 2018 Draft (1s)
Carlos Vargas 20 R/R 6-3 180 IFA 2016
Catchers (4) Age B/T Height Weight Acquired
Yainer Diaz 21 R/R 6-0 195 IFA 2016
Bryan Lavastida 21 R/R 6-0 200 2018 Draft (15)
Andres Melendez 19 R/R 5-10 150 2019 Trade
Bo Naylor 20 L/R 5-10 180 2018 Draft (1)
Infielders (20) Age B/T Height Weight Acquired
Gabriel Arias 20 R/R 6-1 187 Trade 2020
Aaron Bracho 19 S/R 5-11 175 IFA 2017
Christian Cairo 19 R/R 5-8 170 2019 Draft (4)
Raynel Delgado 20 S/R 6-2 185 2018 Draft (6)
Jose Fermin 21 R/R 5-11 160 IFA 2015
Tyler Freeman 21 R/R 6-0 165 2017 Draft (2s)
Nolan Jones 22 L/R 6-4 195 2016 Draft (2)
Jesus Lara 18 R/R 5-8 160 IFA 2018
Angel Martinez 18 S/R 6-0 165 IFA 2018
Owen Miller 23 R/R 6-0 185 Trade 2020
Joe Naranjo 19 L/L 5-8 198 2019 Draft (3)
Jhonkensy Noel 18 R/R 6-1 180 IFA 2017
Richard Palacios 23 L/R 5-11 180 2018 Draft (3)
Jose Pastrano 17 S/R 5-9 145 IFA 2019
Gabriel Rodriguez 18 R/R 6-2 162 IFA 2018
Junior Sanquintin 18 S/R 6-0 172 IFA 2018
Jose Tena 19 L/R 5-10 160 IFA 2017
Milan Tolentino 18 L/R 6-0 185 2020 Draft (4)
Carson Tucker 18 R/R 6-2 180 2020 Draft (1)
Yordys Valdes 18 S/R 6-0 170 2019 Draft (2)
Outfielders (6) Age B/T Height Weight Acquired
Will Benson 22 L/L 6-5 200 2016 Draft (1)
Will Brennan 22 L/L 6-0 190 2019 Draft (8)
Petey Halpin 18 L/R 6-0 185 2020 Draft (3)
Steven Kwan 22 L/L 5-9 175 2018 Draft (5)
Ka'ai Tom 26 L/R 5-9 185 2015 Draft (5)
George Valera 19 L/L 5-11 185 IFA 2017

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:54 am
by civ ollilavad
Not just is that group of outfielders thin, but it's also unbalanced: all are left handed hitters. And besides Tom who is as much as 8 years older than some of the other invitees, Kwan despite [or maybe because] being a breakout pick of mine a few years ago seems well established as an organizational player. Benson has not graduated from Class A at age 22. At least he's worth inviting, unlike Q Holmes our top pick the next year.

I was however disappointed by the absence of Johnathan Rodriguez another OF who I've liked and seemed to have made some progress the second half of 2019 season.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:10 pm
by seagull
All these kids work for peanuts. Once they are eligible for bigger bucks or use up their signing bonus that has been spread over years, they get weeded out. In light of Antonetti's warning, the path to the Majors may come quicker for cheap players.

Re: Minor Matters

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:25 pm
by civ ollilavad
could be, unfortunately our farm system is pretty weak at the AAA and AA levels and brimming with projected talent among the 18-21 year old demographic./

Nolan Jones might be ready in 2021; Maybe Tyler Freeman later in the year. The other promising players are all a couple years away even if they choose to move them along faster than usual.