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by joez
Tanner Bibee’s 4-8 record could be one of baseball’s most deceiving statistics
Published: Jun. 27, 2025, 8:10 a.m.
By Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio — If you looked solely at Tanner Bibee’s 4-8 record this season, you’d never guess you were examining the statistics of one of the American League’s most talented young arms. The Guardians’ right-hander delivered yet another quality start Thursday against Toronto, only to watch it dissolve into his eighth loss of the season.
“Bibee pitches his heart out and has nothing to show for it at the end of the day,” lamented Joe Noga, cleveland.com Guardians beat reporter, at the opening of Friday’s episode of the Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast.
The frustration is palpable in the litany of obstacles Bibee faced during his latest stellar outing: “What does Bibee have to do to get a win? The guy goes out there and pitches his heart out the last couple of times and the circus showed up today with, with a bunch of errors. He gets checked for sticky substances and has to have his, his hands washed. The umpire had a problem with him coming out for the one inning. What more does he have to do to get a win for these guys?”
The answer to that question remains elusive, as Bibee continues to pitch at an elite level while his record plummets in the opposite direction. Thursday’s game perfectly encapsulated his season-long struggle when three errors by first baseman Kyle Manzardo in a single inning handed Toronto three unearned runs.
Yet Bibee’s resilience stood out even amid the defensive collapse behind him. As Paul Hoynes detailed: “He really pitched well with the exception of the third inning when Manzardo went off the rails. That’s when Toronto scored three runs and was a 35 pitch inning. He still bounced back and threw six solid
The final line was impressive: six innings, three hits, three runs (two earned), zero walks, seven strikeouts. Yet the scoreboard showed another L next to Bibee’s name — his fourth consecutive loss despite quality starts in three of those games.
Adding to the bizarre nature of Thursday’s outing, Bibee was subjected to not one but two sticky substance checks from the umpiring crew, eventually being forced to wash his hands between innings. “He said his hand was darker than usual and so they checked him not once but twice in the fourth and fifth inning, and finally made him wash his hands,” Hoynes said. “He told us ‘I swear to God, I’m not cheating.’”
The reality is that Bibee’s 2025 campaign will ultimately be judged by metrics far more telling than his win-loss record. His command, strikeout-to-walk ratio, and ability to work deep into games paint the picture of a pitcher performing at an All-Star level, even as his record suggests otherwise.
The disconnect between performance and results highlights the sometimes cruel and arbitrary nature of baseball’s traditional pitching metrics.
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