How many times do players have to say these types of things before we get it?
TFIR. I think we all get it. Veterans can have a clubhouse presence where young players are concerned, but where do you draw the line? I could see where it would be of a great advantage to a 20, 21, maybe a 22 year old prospect. Maybe a 25 year old getting his first shot at a big league job.
I'm sure every team in major league baseball has a couple of these veterans around and just how many of these teams even get a sniff at a pennant much less a series !?!?!
I've seen a bunch of these guys come and go over the years and we are no closer to a pennant now than we were then. If the purpose is to teach and groom, great. Hire Giambi to coach! I just find it difficult to swallow the fact that we have a cheater as a clubhouse leader. I don't like Giambi but if he's Francona's go-to guy, that's Francona's problem.
From the New York Daily News
According to one of the insiders, Jason Giambi and Roger Clemens would routinely drink beer on the dugout bench when they played for the Yankees, passing back and forth what Giambi called his "protein shake," code for a cup of beer. “Rally beers or "protein shakes" are big in the clubhouse,” one insider said. “Guys would drink them all the time, on the bench, in the clubhouse, in the training room. It’s common.”
Nice!
Giambi was found guilty by a San Francisco court of using PED's. This is Tito's go-to guy?
WoW
As far as Tito goes, I like the guy. He's human. He can make mistakes. We all are aware of the "Beer Party" that went down in his dugout before he was fired. Did Tito lose control of his team in Boston like Manny Acta lost control of his team in Cleveland? The symptoms were eerily similar.
USA Today Stated
Clubhouse chemistry, conditioning and hustle were some reasons why the relationship between the Boston Red Sox and manager Terry Francona soured in a mutual fashion.
From Boston Dot Com
Second baseman Dustin Pedroia, portrayed on a Sports Illustrated cover in August as “the heart of the Red Sox,’’ declined to hold any individual culpable. “I just know that playing in Boston, you’re required to play your tail off every day to try to win ballgames for this city,’’ Pedroia said. “That’s what hurt so much as a player, that we not only let each other down in the clubhouse but we let the city down.’’ By numerous accounts, manager Terry Francona lost his ability to prevent some of the lax behavior that characterized the collapse. Team sources said Francona, who has acknowledged losing influence with some former team leaders, appeared distracted during the season by issues related to his troubled marriage and to his health.
I think Francona will be good for our Cleveland Indians. He's a welcomed change and I whole heartedly will support him. But just remember, we're all human and all prone to mistakes.
Rusty often refers to the winter leagues as "beer leagues". He should check his own back yard.
Every team in the major leagues permit beer in the clubhouse and who knows what else?? I think we all know where the Major Beer League is located.
Also from the New York Daily News
Beer has been a staple in Mets clubhouses, too, one of the sources said. "Guys would go into the clubhouse, pour beer in Gatorade cups and return to the dugout," he said. "In the old days, the beer distributors would leave beer for the players. We'd have three or four cases in the clubhouse at any one time."
I'm almost positive that beer is a staple in all of the dugouts.
From CBS
When asked how the players reacted to the news, Valentine said, "You mean like standing ovation or booing? I didn't get either of those." Veteran David Ortiz didn't bat an eye. "We're not here to drink. We're here to play baseball," the slugger said. "This ain't no bar. If you want to drink, drink at home."
From MLB
ARLINGTON - In the wake of the revelations that Red Sox players were drinking beer in the clubhouse during games during their September collapse, Major League Baseball is looking into the idea of banning alcohol from all big-league clubhouses
So let's cut the crap!
In closing, I'd like to know just how many leaders does a clubhouse need ?!?!!?
I think Nick Swisher is a very capable candidate. He's been there, done that, and is going to be here for four more years.
How about Chris Perez !?!?!
Anybody but Jason Giambi for a variety of reasons. Most notably, he's become production challenged! One thinkg, he does know what it takes to win.