I'm sure he's trying his best to get himself traded, and I think he should be traded because Pestano is about ready to take a closer's role. This team needs to get some serious value in return for Perez.

And, everything he said was 100% correct.

I wonder if he's smart enough to put 2+2 together and realize that there is a reason the fans haven't been showing up.

Ha ha, this is just where the screwing up can really start. If the Indians "have" to trade him, it will depress the possible return.

Maybe he should be kept, out of spite. I certainly don't expect him to be kept on the basis of providing good value for the money spent.

Bottom line is this, Chris Perez, does not have a lot of value to begin with. If the Indians could have gotten a starting position player for him he would have been gone this past off season.

Who are you going to get for him ?

Never saw a guy that wanted off a team so badly.

or at least one who said so, so openly

Choo has made some noises, too, hasn't he?

I bet Casey Kotchman and Jack Hanahan will be happy to stay.

I'd sit Perez the rest of the season. Let him rot.

I am going to ask perez if he want an honorary membership in the antidolanite faction

rusty2 wrote:Bottom line is this, Chris Perez, does not have a lot of value to begin with. If the Indians could have gotten a starting position player for him he would have been gone this past off season.

Who are you going to get for him ?

Are you talking about a trade bartered by Shapiro and Antonneti, or a trade by I hope their soon successors?


If Dolan does not can Antonetti and Shapiro, he's worse than cheap.....he's stupid.

Colorado Rockies still waiting for the Ubaldo Jimenez trade to pay off

UPDATED: 09/06/2012 10:20:28 AM MDTBy Troy E. Renck
The Denver Post

Colorado Rockies starter Alex White delivers against the Atlanta Braves on Wednesday in Atlanta. (Curtis Compton, Atlanta Journal-Constitution)
ATLANTA — Thirteen months later, there are no winners.

The Rockies shook their franchise by the shoulders, trading former All-Star Game starter Ubaldo Jimenez to the Indians for four players. But let's be honest, this deal was about the two prized arms Colorado received in return: Drew Pomeranz and Alex White.

The move was bold, daring, controversial and, thus far, disappointing. White, who worked less than five innings for the seventh consecutive start Wednesday, and Pomeranz are a combined 7-20 with a 5.71 ERA. They have youth on their side, making minimum salaries as they slog through their rookie seasons at a time when many pitchers their age are in Double-A.

For Cleveland, Jimenez has been worse when framed by expectations and his contract. The right-hander lost to Detroit on Wednesday. He is 13-19 with a 5.44 ERA for the Indians since the deal that was supposed to push Cleveland into the playoffs last season. The Indians sacrificed their future for Jimenez, and are now upside down on their mortgage. By season's end, they will have paid him $5.1 million.

That should have been a bargain for a quasi-ace. But as the Rockies recognized when they began shopping him last summer, he was no longer elite. What their statistics told them, other teams confirmed with their underwhelming offers for him.

Jimenez has fallen to the point that it would not be a surprise if the Indians decline his $5.75 million club option and exercise a $1 million buyout. He hasn't been competitive on many nights, following a trend of Rockies pitchers who have nose-dived after logging large work loads at altitude.

The right-hander is threatening to post the highest ERA by an Indians starter since 1921.

It's not like Pomeranz and White have made anyone forget Jimenez, whose ability to pitch at Coors Field made him unique by Rockies standards. Their outings have been like heavyweight boxing matches. They are up. They are down. They are on the ropes. They avoid direct shots to the chin, but are unable to deliver haymakers.

Pomeranz has shown elite starter ability, his win against Washington before the all-star break arguably the Rockies' finest pitched game this season. But he's still learning how to pitch through soreness, how to win without his best stuff. Jim Tracy talked to him Wednesday about his growth.

"We need to see incremental progress. I am not talking about taking quantum leaps, but it's time to move forward," the Rockies manager said. "It's like my mentor Felipe Alou said, 'If you've seen it, it's in there.' "

White has been everything but consistent. His sinker produces groundballs, though they are undermined by too many walks and an inflated pitch count. The right-hander threw 71 pitches Wednesday, just 32 for strikes. The movement on his two-seam fastball suggests that he can be a starter, though a seventh-inning groundball machine carries value as well.

For both to improve, they must improve command of their secondary pitches.

Pomeranz has a dirty cut fastball that turns bats into firewood. His curveball and changeup, however, are swing-and-miss pitches that he needs to throw for strikes when behind in the count.

Thirteen months later, the resultant picture, showing uneven performances across the board, remains out of focus.

At least Pomeranz and White still have time to develop.

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If the Indians have any hope of contending next season, Perez has to be one of the main cogs in the wheel. I agree with Acta..................

"We all have different DNA's. We just have to live with each other," Acta said. "You deal with it the best way we can. "I really don't pay attention to much of that stuff. What really concerns me is that in the ninth inning, when he needs to save the game he comes in and gets it. The rest of the stuff we handle internally."

Best not throw away 30+ saves in the hopes that Pestano or any other reliever can be as reliable and as durable as Perez.

There's nothing that Perez has said that isn't true. Perez has been the only constant on a very bad team.

Still, it would be better if he learned to keep his trap shut. What he says may be true but that doesn't mean he has to say it. I don't see how his saying it has helped.

I'm looking forward to the off season to see whether or not his ranting will payoff.

Perez wants to win as badly as we want the Indians to win. Dumping him would not be a wise thing to do in my opinion.

Perez is tied for fifth place in saves among all major league relief pitchers wtih 35. If the Indians can muster up 5 more wins this month, Perez could top 40 saves. What's not to like about that? On a team as bad as this one has been the second half of the season, I'd say the fete would be exceptional.

Perez is still pitching like we're in a pennant race. As he's gone on record saying that the team is not quitting, you have to believe it. Jason Donald flopping into the stands against the Tigers this week is not an indication of a team that is out on the field ready to quit. Taking 2 of 3 with an excellent opportunity to sweep the Tigers was not an indication of a team that's ready to quit.

If you ask me, Perez is as close as it comes to being a team leader.

No way in hell they keep Perez. And I disagree that he doesn't have trade value. He's an upper tier closer no matter what else anyone may think of him.

If they can't get decent value back then they truly suck as franchise management, which is becoming the consensus opinion everywhere but in Dolan's mind.

VT'er wrote:Still, it would be better if he learned to keep his trap shut. What he says may be true but that doesn't mean he has to say it. I don't see how his saying it has helped.

He's a competitor, and he is frustrated. He only said things fans are saying already.

If he's shaken up Dolan or Shapiro or Antonetti, so be it. At minimum it calls the question on funding.

CharlieT had the stat around here a couple of weeks ago that The Cleveland Indians are poised to become just one of two teams not to have a winning season in the past five.

I didn't check him on it, but he has always seemed to double check his facts.

No winning seasons in five, and a solid MLB player calls out the owner and front office of a team and organization that seems to have bleak prospects of producing winning seasons with the status quo anytime in the foreseeable future.

Old school baseball and sports would be "just shut up and play." Most of the time it should be today, I agree.

Right now I think Chris Perez was trying to do Cleveland Fans a favor, said only things that most fans are saying, and only put his behind on the line for any consequences.

Dolan and the front office will likely just hope that fans have short memories and minimal perspective going forward.